jacking it in.

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#1
Any you chaps(plod) jacked it in between 10-20 years service?

I cant seem to bring myself to enjoy it(if I ever did) any more, the pointless PC bollocks, the Scottish Crime Recording Standard, the promoted ranks above Sgt, who seem to believe that they know the job better (despite having far less street experience), etc etc etc ad inf

Anyway back on thread, had anyone made the jump and left (not sacked or required to resign), what did you go to, did you set up a company on your own etc, was it/is it worth it?

There's a few lads, mostly ex services with under three years service, looking to leave/have signed back up, because of the shite above, which got me thinking about leaving again(I was going to RMAS when I had 5 years service, until the wife talked me out of it, which I regret, a lot, since I'm a reservist)

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#3
I wouldn't if I were you. To me it is just a job (lets be honest, it is quiet well paid) and with only 5 yrs left I can see the light at the end of the tunnell. Just remember the **** arounds we had in the mob (basic training!) and nothing is as bad as that. Keep your head down and stag on.
 
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I'm struggling to keep my head up. I agree with western on a lot of his posts. I have tried the "just a job mentality", but the gaffers just wind me up. I have argued with them black and blue this week that 4 calls I attended weren't crimes, got told to put on crime reports to cover my back(or theirs more to the point) and then had them, surprisingly, no crimed by the crime manager. For the detractors reading this, it gets very boring "covering your back" when you know there's no need and thus is why we don't manage to attend to things as quickly as we like, which in turn frustrates me, when I am contrary to the beliefs on here/the papers etc, trying to provide a good service.
 
#5
Yes, I went onto the security circuit, financially the best move I ever made. I take home over five times what I did per day in the police. I miss it though. PM for more info.
 
#6
I have 3 years to go to 55, with by then, 20 years in. I was going to stay til 60, but have decided to go in 3 years.
I hope the pension I have acrued, will be left alone, or I will have to go earlier.
TJF.
 
#7
Giving serious consideration to leaving in 2015 when the PPS gets frozen and we're put on the new scheme. I'll have 16yrs of pension with my army service but will only be about 38. That's plenty of time to have another career. I do have a plan about my own business but it relied on me leaving the job in 18yrs time with a gratuity and a decent yearly income.

I actually think that the pension needs to be addressed because it is too expensive. I'm getting to the point where Im thinking more about what sort of society my children will have to bring their children up in than worry about getting a final salary pension.
 
#8
I'm struggling to keep my head up. I agree with western on a lot of his posts. I have tried the "just a job mentality", but the gaffers just wind me up. I have argued with them black and blue this week that 4 calls I attended weren't crimes, got told to put on crime reports to cover my back(or theirs more to the point) and then had them, surprisingly, no crimed by the crime manager. For the detractors reading this, it gets very boring "covering your back" when you know there's no need and thus is why we don't manage to attend to things as quickly as we like, which in turn frustrates me, when I am contrary to the beliefs on here/the papers etc, trying to provide a good service.
Simplest thing to do is to make a list, Positives on one side, negs on the other. Be honest with yourself. Then walk away and come back to it after a few days, tally up and make a decision. Life is not a destination its a journey!
 
#9
Can you still get half pay pension after 25 years as a copper?

If so, stay in, until that point.

A respectable job, decent pay, job security, paid holidays,subsidised housing(?) and a good pension scheme? To me its a no brainer

Have you thought of studying part time to get a sense of challenge or a new hobby?

If you think you may be suffering from "burn out" or depression go and see you GP.

Can you book a long holiday that may put things into perspective?

How about an internal transfer to traffic or CID etc.

Can you take leave without pay that will allow you to try a new career without the risk of leaving a good job?

Have a chat with the Federation so you know your options and rights before making a move.

Like I say, in the current economic climate it may be sensible to stay put.
 
#10
I'm struggling to keep my head up. I agree with western on a lot of his posts. I have tried the "just a job mentality", but the gaffers just wind me up. I have argued with them black and blue this week that 4 calls I attended weren't crimes, got told to put on crime reports to cover my back(or theirs more to the point) and then had them, surprisingly, no crimed by the crime manager. For the detractors reading this, it gets very boring "covering your back" when you know there's no need and thus is why we don't manage to attend to things as quickly as we like, which in turn frustrates me, when I am contrary to the beliefs on here/the papers etc, trying to provide a good service.
Don't do anything daft mate, especially based on my opinions.
 
#11
Can you still get half pay pension after 25 years as a copper?

If so, stay in, until that point.

A respectable job, decent pay, job security, paid holidays,subsidised housing(?) and a good pension scheme? To me its a no brainer

Have you thought of studying part time to get a sense of challenge or a new hobby?

If you think you may be suffering from "burn out" or depression go and see you GP.

Can you book a long holiday that may put things into perspective?

How about an internal transfer to traffic or CID etc.

Can you take leave without pay that will allow you to try a new career without the risk of leaving a good job?

Have a chat with the Federation so you know your options and rights before making a move.

Like I say, in the current economic climate it may be sensible to stay put.
I'm not being sarcastic mate, but if you want to ensure burn out or depression go into CID.

Long hours, more responsibilty than equivalent higher uniform ranks and less pay.
 
#12
My tuppence worth, for what it's worth mate. You're not alone. I reckon the majority of us (certainly below Inspector!) experience what you're going through. I know I, and many I work with have. Maybe consider a career break? I know one colleague who did this. Took 18 months and went off to London. Worked in a completely unrelated field during their time out. Came back, re-engaged, got stuck back in and is now happy as the proverbial swine. From speaking with them, this individual believed having taken time out they were better able to weigh up the pro and cons of the job more objectively.
 
#13
I jumped ship at 8.5 years in and went to Canada. I'm glad I did, the writing was on the wall when I first started looking at it in 2006.
 
#14
I left in 02 after 15 years, but took a career break so as to keep my options open. I went and spent a few years with the UN and then a lot of time doing security for the FCO, I have been fortunate and I dont think the opportunies are around like they used to be. I have never looked back.

My advice - study something relevant and something you enjoy, I did terrorism (St Andrews Uni) and security (Portsmouth Uni)

I have found a UK Policing backgroud gets you in the door and to the interview table but security employers are looking for more, hence the sudying.

Have you though about emmigrating, I have a few friends in the job out here in Canada, the whinging is similar but they are all happy with their lot.

I wish you all the best
 
#15
Are there opportunities for an experienced rozzer in other countries? Someone I used to know vaguely moved to Septicaemia about ten years ago and got a job as a copper in one of the Southern states, can't remember which, it might have been as a State Trooper. Anyhow, he'd married a bird with huge melons and one of those, 'Y'all, ain't it, honey is thayyut you' accents, was building his own house and starting a collection of assault rifles.

There are worse ways to spend your life.
 
#16
All the Canadian Police and Sherriff services, except RCMP, are open to people with landed immigrant status, more than 5 years Policing in a Home Office Force gives you plenty of points for immigrating. (That is liable to change at anytime)
I got landed immigrant status on Policing points, albeit I had been out of the job for seven years when I moved here and you dont have to show any intention of being OB here either.

Take a look at Edmonton Police Service, Alberta, last time I looked at their site they had a whole section to devoted to UK
cops wanting to come over.

I moved with the wife and two kids and we love it.


Also look at Calgary Police.
 
#17
All the Canadian Police and Sherriff services, except RCMP, are open to people with landed immigrant status, more than 5 years Policing in a Home Office Force gives you plenty of points for immigrating. (That is liable to change at anytime)
I got landed immigrant status on Policing points, albeit I had been out of the job for seven years when I moved here and you dont have to show any intention of being OB here either.

Take a look at Edmonton Police Service, Alberta, last time I looked at their site they had a whole section to devoted to UK
cops wanting to come over.

I moved with the wife and two kids and we love it.


Also look at Calgary Police.
Both have currently suspended their international applicant scheme where they "fast track" your permanent residency application. Though if you have permanent resident (landed immigrant) status already you can apply via the normal channels and any previous policing experience is bound to help.

Though don't go to Edmonton, it's rough as **** by all accounts 30 murders this year compared to 3 in Calgary.
 
#18
I felt the same at a point during my time in the Prison Service when the P.C. mob took over to the extent that we lost control. For instance in the good old days a Probation Officer had to ask for my permission to set foot on my landing. After P.C. he'd just chuck me a list of names and tell me to send them down to his office. I have heard that staff have to call cons Mr. now FFS. Anyway I switched off worked the system and treated it just like a job. Now well on the way to drawing my pension for longer than I served I'm glad I did. So' unless you can transfer your service and skills upmarket bite the bullet and have the last laugh.
 
#19
I think the answer to being fed up at about the 20 to 25 year point is look within the service to find different challenges. I had about 12 years in when it happened to me and was on the then traffic dept. I had managed to get a role where I spent all my time working in plain clothes working with local area teams. This was great but in the days of tenure I was given 18 months in that post then back to the real world of traffic (tickets, accidents and speed checks) which sort of wears out your will power.
So at that point applied for firearms and spent a few years on the ARV's then hit the career wall again so applied to become a firearms instructor which with my accrued military time took me to my retirement. In the end by moving on and challenging myself I ended up enjoying most of my career.
You cannot beat the system, you cannot overcome the PC brigade, you cannot overcome the fact you are society's whipping boys. But you can have a good career by moving about. Keep your eye on the prize and remember people everywhere are working hard for less and less money under similar or worse conditions, they will have little sympathy with with the plight of jaded police officers.
 
#20
At your stage of the game I'd advise you to start playing the game. You know what game I'm talking about but I'll not shout about it and make you feel sad but I reckon you're more than likely in a position now where very few will frown at you if you hang up your handcuffs and take up one of "those" roles.

Interestingly enough I've been thinking like this for the last 12 months but being given my sproggy length of service in comparison to yours I'm not a pension prisoner yet and really can look elsewhere. I'm looking at riding out the current storm then potentially doing one 2015ish when they start fcuking us over. I'm hoping by then things in the market will have started to look up and there will be more options out there. I've even toyed with the idea of getting back in in a decent trade until this most current bout of destruction of our services.

Rest assured. Your not alone. There is only our section sprog who isn't open to doing new and our skipper is awaiting feedback from an 'external interview.' Lets be honest, the only reason people have put up with the sh1t for the last 10 years now has been due to the pension which despite paying 11.5% for it was reasonable. Take that away and the experience will fade away. But be reasonable, if you have less than ten to push and there is a desk that you can drive monday to friday get driving it.
 

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