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Jack the Ripper - Coldstream Guards.

#1
Well I never, just watching another in the long line of Ripper documentaries and it appears a couple of Coldstreamers were in the frame for a while.

Lord, love a duck, me old Cockney Sparrer.

Had anyone else heard of this? Why isn't this part of our fine Regimental history?
 
#3
I have no doubt any Coldstreamer worth his salt could have pinioned a Whitechapel prossy, afflicted as they were by rickets and syphilis. Less of a challenge than a healthy Border Cross ewe
 
#4
I thought guardsmen conducted their sexual liasons well away from Whitechapell, more like Hyde Park. I was told that a worried minister fearfull of the effect on morale during the war told Churchill that another guardsman had been arrested in Hyde Park for buggery or something similar, Churchill said "wasn't it below freezing last night?" the minister said he thought it was, Churchill replied "Makes you proud to be British".
 

Schaden

LE
Book Reviewer
#5
Do remember the local plod being interviewed about problems of prostitution on the common - the man in blue explained that it had been going on for some time though - when asked how long he replied "Oh since the Crimean War..."
 
Z

Zarathustra

Guest
#6
I read a book about the artist Walter Sickert being Jack The Ripper and in there it said that there had been reports of two members of the Guards with white bands on their forage caps in the area of one of the murders.

As this is the naafi, the sheep shaggers couldn't have killed a prossie, they'd have been too busy sucking of tramps for small change while wanking over a goose
 
#7
Should read the graphic novel From Hell very good and although it's fiction does cover alot of factual events with an appendix with whats true/false etc gives the authors view that it was Sir William Gull who did the killings added by the coach driver Netley under the instruction of Queen Vic still secert files are to be released in 2015 about the murders should be interesting.
 
#8
some thoughts.

I doubt the ripper was anyone famous. In fact good grounds for suspecting at least the last of the canonical 5 (mary kelly) was murdered by a different person than some of the others (and I suspect strides pimp murdered her) so down to 3 "pure" killings by the ripper.

the best we can really do is look at the profile of the type of offender he was. he was not frightening in appearance and obviously looked harmless and regular enough to allay suspicion as a typical working man type client of that type of prositiute, or they would not have gone with him to dark places. this was happening at the height of the ripper scare so he must have had at least the social skills enough to initiate contact and understand enough of the expected "narrative" to carry it through.

he was a local man, and had a definite killing "territory" bounded by the whitechapel road and commercial road, he would have only quickly crossed those well lit thoroughfares, not walked down them. he had extensive local knowledge, and could evade police by using backyards and was familiar with the area.I doubt any outsider could have had that knowledge.

he had enough "medical" knowledge to know if you strangled someone 1st and then cut their throat when they were on the ground you could direct the bloodflow away from yourself and that the blood would not gush out as with a living artery (I think im right in saying the victims died by syncope so the heart would have stopped ?) not nessecarily a doctor, any slaughterman would know this, victorian london had many knackers yards.

the ripper had a job in the week. all the crimes were of a weekend (or public holiday)
this job is very likely to have been a butcher, horse slaughterer etc, not just for the knowledge and skill with the knife the murders showed, but the enjoyment gained from the action, he would have been sadisticly living out the narrative of these fantasies at work.

the goulston street graffito had nothing to do with the case, but the apron scrap was def eddowes.

I should get out more.
 
B

Boozy

Guest
#9
I sat down in my living room while the last 5 mins of this docu were on in the background... a woman said she had heard heavy footsteps past her door sounding like a policeman on his beat...but whatever way the story went it was likely the footsteps she heard were those of jack the ripper...

could it actually have been a copper? not very well read on the subject so just throwing the suggestion out there
 
B

Biscuits_AB

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#11
Well I never, just watching another in the long line of Ripper documentaries and it appears a couple of Coldstreamers were in the frame for a while.

Lord, love a duck, me old Cockney Sparrer.

Had anyone else heard of this? Why isn't this part of our fine Regimental history?
Probably for the same reason that Club 18 - 30 isn't in the Greenjackets history.
 
#12
I sat down in my living room while the last 5 mins of this docu were on in the background... a woman said she had heard heavy footsteps past her door sounding like a policeman on his beat...but whatever way the story went it was likely the footsteps she heard were those of jack the ripper...

could it actually have been a copper? not very well read on the subject so just throwing the suggestion out there
yes in london at the time as well as the met and city of london there were several railway police forces, i forget all the details but it has been suggested it may have been a railways constable using his uniform to escape the crowds - there used to be mention of it on the BTP history section

truth be told unless the 2015 files come out implictly stateing BLAH did it then I doubt we'll ever know

the thing i find most unsettling about these crimes are the B&W photos, i have read modern forensics books and find most things i can cope with but the B&W photos really freak me out
 
#13
Well I never, just watching another in the long line of Ripper documentaries and it appears a couple of Coldstreamers were in the frame for a while.

Lord, love a duck, me old Cockney Sparrer.

Had anyone else heard of this? Why isn't this part of our fine Regimental history?
Because the victims were women?
 
#14
I recall reading of the so-called "Guardsman's Defence". Apparently Guardsmen used to queer-bash/mug types who hung out in Hyde Park/Green Park looking to procure Guardsmen for homo-loving. Some straight Guardsmen also went mugging and if apprehended would simply allege they had been touched up and were protecting themselves from predatory homos. "The wallet must have fallen into their pockets during the struggle your honour and apparently the victim, who I believe is a member of your club/chambers/regimental officers' dining club/house of Lords no longer wishes to press charges..." and so forth.
 
#16
Jack the ripper was the first serial killer to be covered extensively by the press. The transition into a more modern world was part of this. I started my interest in the ripper like anyone out of morbid curiosity, but it led to a far greater understanding of the east end of 1888, and the sheer poverty that those people were living in. the victims were discovered by workmen going to work and starting their day at 3.30am ! lodging houses abounded, crowded and unsanitary. makes you realize what we have today. Anyhow , the best book on the subject is by an author called Philip Sugden.. really good detailed study which does not foist a suspect , but demolishes many shibboleths and myths built up over the years.

the man, whoever he was, was a monster, those black and white photos bear witness to the nightmare that was his mind.
 

Joker62

ADC
Book Reviewer
#17
I watched the programme last night to see what new evidence could be brought to the table. I'm a keen amateur Ripperologist and watch a lot of the programmes shown, even been on a couple of tours. The Guardsmen theory is one I'd heard before at a meeting of The Whitechapel Society of which I'm a member and they had it's chairman, Bill Beadle, on the box last night.
Some of the area is still recognisable, including Mitre Sq, which until recently had a stencilled street sign reading "Catherine Eddowes Sq", now cleaned off.
 
#18
I watched the programme last night to see what new evidence could be brought to the table. I'm a keen amateur Ripperologist and watch a lot of the programmes shown, even been on a couple of tours. The Guardsmen theory is one I'd heard before at a meeting of The Whitechapel Society of which I'm a member and they had it's chairman, Bill Beadle, on the box last night.
Some of the area is still recognisable, including Mitre Sq, which until recently had a stencilled street sign reading "Catherine Eddowes Sq", now cleaned off.
Thats interesting Joker62.. are the tours worth going on ? to what extent is the local pub worth a visit /? I know the hanbury st site is no longer there, also millers court is no more (I think)

do you and fellow ripper enthusiasts regard psychological profiling as of any use in promoting a suspect over another in terms of likelihood ? what I am saying is, in effect, do you consider the technique to be applicable to a late victorian case ? given its a modern technique developed in the last 30 years or so.

Kosminski look good to you ?
 
#19
I don’t want to sound like I think people who are interested are weirdo's or anything, everyone is wired up differently and all that. With that in mind, I really wish I hadn’t looked at the link slick posted. Some times I wish I could empty my head and start again, but curiosity always gets the better of me. Something’s I wish I had never seen. Anyone else ever feel like that?
 
#20
I don’t want to sound like I think people who are interested are weirdo's or anything, everyone is wired up differently and all that. With that in mind, I really wish I hadn’t looked at the link slick posted. Some times I wish I could empty my head and start again, but curiosity always gets the better of me. Something’s I wish I had never seen. Anyone else ever feel like that?
Definately, I have one Ripper book which I delve into for short periods at a time. Unfortunately after reading a segment I always have a recurring dream of running down a narrow cobbled passageway in the dark and its raining. Wake up drenched in sweat and don`t touch the book again for another six months. Whilst I find the history of the case interesting, I find the images and some of the details frankly terrifying.

I know the hanbury st site is no longer there
There is a documentary (you probably know of it) with James Mason, made in `67 I believe, which shows Hanbury Street still standing at the time. It illustrates the terrrible state of the east end in the `60s. There is a snippet on youtube....YouTube - Jack the Ripper Annie Chapman 29 Hanbury Street
 

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