Ive found someone who is voting Labour next election.

#1
It gets better.

Cyclops is her constituency MP, she believes hes a lovely bloke, and that Labour are great.

God help us. Well, time to find a new missus, i think.. :roll:

Is it just me that thinks that we really need to look at whose got the power to vote, and restrict it to none-mongs?
 
#2
Squiggers said:
It gets better.

Cyclops is her constituency MP, she believes hes a lovely bloke, and that Labour are great.

God help us. Well, time to find a new missus, i think.. :roll:

Is it just me that thinks that we really need to look at whose got the power to vote, and restrict it to none-mongs?
Nah not just you, the idea goes back a fair way - Plato thought that.

But I do wonder where these people so out of touch of reality have been hiding the past 12 years, and particularly the last 3 or so...

Bumped into one in the pub a few weeks back, mother of a girl whose a friend of a friend who was down visiting. It wasn't long before she was professing support for Labour and saying how Maggie had wrecked everything. I'm no massive Tory or really into partisan politics but I had to point out that even if both Parties are as bad as one another in terms of sleaze or governance, at least the Tories seem to be able to rule without the economy going down the shitter every time...

Is it a case of Old Labour supporters seeing themselves as some sort of party stalwarts by supporting Brown with their heads in the sand, or are they just all cnuts?
 
#3
Given that I'm a mere sprog (and live in a northern, ex mining town) the majority of opinions i've heard are all from mardy old miners telling me that they'll never vote Tory....but that's exactly how most of my peers feel about about Labour now, all I've really been aware of is the Blair/Brown years, so I'm voting for callmeDave, in the hope BoJo will suffocate him with a hoody and take the top job....

Were things better, worse or same under Maggie and Curriebasher? :?
 
#5
To be honest, as i'm currently studying Politics (Oo, get me...), from the sounds of it a lot of what the current problems are in regards to our economy stems from the Thatcherite years. Then again, that could easily be wrong.

I'd be voting Cleggy, but thats as i'm a steel city lad. Theres a lot of differences between Thatcher, and Cameron - if you just looked at his ideology, you'd have guessed he was a Lib Dem.

Final straw came the other day when the lot in Whitehall decided to ringfence education, NHS, and police over transport, military spending, and something else. Take a guess where the biggest cut will come from, in all likelyness. Both the tories and the lib dems said that they wouldn't have done that, and only have secured the NHS, but I digress.

Theres too much crap that this governments pulled, nevermind the rampant corruption thats flourished since Blair left. It might sound daft, but him and Cameron are rather similar, not least in stances on policies, but charisma.

*cough*

vvaannmmaann said:
On the other hand,if you are getting your nuts tickled,then what's the problem?
Its the feeling that i'm bumping uglies with something that is tainted by Labours foul stench. Its not a nice feeling. I have to resist the urge to do an almighty cockslap.
 
#6
Squiggers said:
To be honest, as i'm currently studying Politics (Oo, get me...), from the sounds of it a lot of what the current problems are in regards to our economy stems from the Thatcherite years. Then again, that could easily be wrong.

Thatcherism was a political philosophy that, on the whole, suited the period of its formation. It was more about changing style and outlook than bricks and mortar, it was about adapting the prevailing mood of the people more than shaping it. Our institutions were largely left unchanged but were, on the whole better regulated that they are today. Nothing Maggie did could not have been undone by anyone succeeding her. She didn't create chavs, they evolved from our welfare system, a welfare system that Maggie wanted to rein in but that success Labour Governments have expanded manifold.


I'd be voting Cleggy, but thats as i'm a steel city lad. Theres a lot of differences between Thatcher, and Cameron - if you just looked at his ideology, you'd have guessed he was a Lib Dem.

You spotted an ideology other than A. get in power, B. stay in power. Well done.


Final straw came the other day when the lot in Whitehall decided to ringfence education, NHS, and police over transport, military spending, and something else. Take a guess where the biggest cut will come from, in all likelyness. Both the tories and the lib dems said that they wouldn't have done that, and only have secured the NHS, but I digress.

Theres too much crap that this governments pulled, nevermind the rampant corruption thats flourished since Blair left. It might sound daft, but him and Cameron are rather similar, not least in stances on policies, but charisma.

Blair and CMD are almost identical in their approach to politics, I fancy that Dave has studied Tony's rise to power and thought, 'I'll have me some of that.' He follows the Blair mantra of heavy on soundbites light on policy. Find something to make you popular with the swing voters or find a subject that might just attract normal non-voters to the polls, pity fox hunting has already gone, that was a cracker! Both CMD and Blair realised that popularity was they key rather than policies. If people like you, you are in. Give them what they want and get the popular people on your side, when the magic begins to fade and the make up needs to be applied more thickly, and more often, to cover up the reality, then it's time to stand aside and let the man driven by ambition take over before he becomes your Brutus.

*cough*

vvaannmmaann said:
On the other hand,if you are getting your nuts tickled,then what's the problem?
Its the feeling that i'm bumping uglies with something that is tainted by Labours foul stench. Its not a nice feeling. I have to resist the urge to do an almighty cockslap.
I think it is an intrinsic part of a ruling party's life span that as they come to the end of their useful life corruption will set in. Whether it's because individuals think that they've been in power that long that they've become invincible, or in power that long that they've built up the contacts and infrastructure to get away with it or that they see the writing on the wall and want to feather their nests before being cast out of the public domain, possibly for eternity, I don't know but it seems that all the long regimes end in corruption.
 
#7
Markintime said:
Squiggers said:
To be honest, as i'm currently studying Politics (Oo, get me...), from the sounds of it a lot of what the current problems are in regards to our economy stems from the Thatcherite years. Then again, that could easily be wrong.

Thatcherism was a political philosophy that, on the whole, suited the period of its formation. It was more about changing style and outlook than bricks and mortar, it was about adapting the prevailing mood of the people more than shaping it. Our institutions were largely left unchanged but were, on the whole better regulated that they are today. Nothing Maggie did could not have been undone by anyone succeeding her. She didn't create chavs, they evolved from our welfare system, a welfare system that Maggie wanted to rein in but that success Labour Governments have expanded manifold.
In regards to my comment on the economy, that more stems from the fact that assets which were originally government controlled, such as the train service, and BT, became privatised - it could be argued that as a result, a lower level of control was exercised over them. Don't get me wrong here, I know that i've likely barely scratched the surface in research for Thatcherism - a lot more research needs doing, to be honest. :oops:

I'd be voting Cleggy, but thats as i'm a steel city lad. Theres a lot of differences between Thatcher, and Cameron - if you just looked at his ideology, you'd have guessed he was a Lib Dem.

You spotted an ideology other than A. get in power, B. stay in power. Well done.
Not what I meant. Thatcher was part of the New Right - Cameron, on the other hand, leans more towards the left, and perhaps more towards the One Nation section of the party than his predecessors. We've obviously got different notions on the term ideology, i think mate. :wink:

Blair and CMD are almost identical in their approach to politics, I fancy that Dave has studied Tony's rise to power and thought, 'I'll have me some of that.' He follows the Blair mantra of heavy on soundbites light on policy. Find something to make you popular with the swing voters or find a subject that might just attract normal non-voters to the polls, pity fox hunting has already gone, that was a cracker! Both CMD and Blair realised that popularity was they key rather than policies. If people like you, you are in. Give them what they want and get the popular people on your side, when the magic begins to fade and the make up needs to be applied more thickly, and more often, to cover up the reality, then it's time to stand aside and let the man driven by ambition take over before he becomes your Brutus.
Of course - over the last 20 or so years, both (main) parties have moved towards the central area of politics in the quest for grabbing more votes. Problem is, it starts to get the point where theres not a great deal of difference in the voters eyes between said parties. Arguably, Blair was popular - until we invaded Iraq. And yeah - popularity generally wins. I'm not a fan of the conservatives. Why? Because most of the cabinet makes my skin crawl. I'd agree with most of their policies, but the vast majority need a size 10 inserted up the rectum.

I think it is an intrinsic part of a ruling party's life span that as they come to the end of their useful life corruption will set in. Whether it's because individuals think that they've been in power that long that they've become invincible, or in power that long that they've built up the contacts and infrastructure to get away with it or that they see the writing on the wall and want to feather their nests before being cast out of the public domain, possibly for eternity, I don't know but it seems that all the long regimes end in corruption.
Again, i'd agree with that - its often the first 4 years in which a party excels, then after that... starts to get a little bit of the emperor syndrome - Thatcher, is a prime example of this, the same with Labour and Blair. Strangely, the UK set up of democracy is set up rather more similar to a Dictatorship than you'd think - the 3 areas of government are interlinked, which they aren't in the US for example. Would we be better with the US system? Possibly, it'd allow a lot of stuff to be blocked if you got an opposistion party in the main control of the Commons, while the other party happens to be in power, but it'd also screw a lot of areas over.

Its a very odd one, overall. Either way, good points Markintime, I actually had to engage my brain at a weekend for once. :wink:
 
#8
jarrod248 said:
Hells_Heels said:
Given that I'm a mere sprog (and live in a northern, ex mining town) the majority of opinions i've heard are all from mardy old miners telling me that they'll never vote Tory....but that's exactly how most of my peers feel about about Labour now, all I've really been aware of is the Blair/Brown years, so I'm voting for callmeDave, in the hope BoJo will suffocate him with a hoody and take the top job....

Were things better, worse or same under Maggie and Curriebasher? :?
I'm also from an ex mining town and yes the Tory party were horrible, however the labour party we have now are worse than the tories.
I've always been a labour voter but not at the next election.
Liberal Democract, i'd guess then?
 
#10
Its all a bit like 1997 in reverse aint it.You couldn't find a Tory then.
 
#11
Neu Labour , Tories, Lib-Dems they're all as corrupt and self serving as each other. They stand with different mandates but at the end of the day they are all turds bobbing about in the sewer called politics.
 
#14
the peeps who will vote liebore in the next election will be the imigrants and anyone on the dole or reliable on lots of benafits. the trouble with us all as humans as we crave money, and what money can get us, this is greed and has been the way those who are shisters, liers, and genrally only care for themselves..fill there void in there litle minds.. these are called MP,s..and we as trusting fools believe everything they say and vote them in.. we are in a situation of medievel times where the rulers of our country treat us as the underclass. serfs, they are the sherriff of nottingham we are outlaws and we must be taxed to keep them in the manner they demand.. unfortunatly we have no robin hood on the horizon to help us..this has already been said before imagine all the money that went to the banks went to the 3 services, imagine securing our borders with soldiers instead of immigrants employed cheaply to do it.. or the billions, not millions that went to the NHS went on nurses and doctors not managers. well this is not just a rant its an M&s rant lol stay tunned for the next installment.....
 
#15
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"To be honest, as i'm currently studying Politics (Oo, get me...), from the sounds of it a lot of what the current problems are in regards to our economy stems from the Thatcherite years. Then again, that could easily be wrong."

After 12 years,people are still blaming Maggie?
 
#16
After 12 years,people are still blaming Maggie?
I wonder who sold the banks, created the housing crisis by allowing Councils to sell publically owned housing stock at knock-down prices, took away the working man's right of free-speech, re-wrote the employment act, gelded the unions, created a medieval local taxation, created an economy intended to be based on the banking & leisure industry rather than manufacturing? :roll:
 
#17
good point vaaaanmaaaan, iv met these people before they are convinced they are entitled to benefits no matter what, everything is thatchers fault. and when i ask why are you and your dad and your grandfather all claiming and have after over 20 years or more its thatchers fault.. and iv had many a heated chat with people that hate conservatives and they give many a good excuse not to work and blame everyone else and im just an annoyance to want real answers why they are lazy buggers..im prety poor money wise but im a millionair really iv got my health my kids and wife are healthy and we all love doing stuff together as much as i can working full time and part time to make sure we bring the children up right. and make sure they can go on school trips i never could.. whoops im going on to much now but you get my drift
 
#18
Well, I'm only sticking my head above the parapet briefly here, but a look at previous statistics [the times even took a look at it earlier in the year] the economy has never really flourished under the Tories, and frankly Thatcher wants locking up for some..if not most.. of the shit she pulled.

That said, in the interest of fairness, Im not defending the current mongs.

Fact is, Tories are traditionally the party of big business and the super rich.. and that ain't any of us as far as I'm aware... though they can buy papers to convince us that voting their way, is good for us. Either way, people have been wronged by them in the past and neither image is easy to shake off entirely.

Though Labour has seriously lost its way.

Anyway, merely my opinion and as such liable to be rubbish. Please do carry on chaps..
 
#19
vvaannmmaann said:
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"To be honest, as i'm currently studying Politics (Oo, get me...), from the sounds of it a lot of what the current problems are in regards to our economy stems from the Thatcherite years. Then again, that could easily be wrong."

After 12 years,people are still blaming Maggie?
Well, it is in these dusty old textbooks, in all fairness... And Sunami pretty much hits it on the head for the most part. Its not the sole reason we've been bumfondled, but its a good reason for why we're still in a recession and most other places, erm.. aren't.

And read the section i've bolded mate.
 
#20
sunnami how many council houses have liebore built, have they tried to buy back our utilities have they invested in future power grids, have they given us a choice in the EU, have they cheated all of us in the expensess scandal have they stopped spending now we are in trouble... nooooo they are still spending, borrowing lying to us.. 12years is a lot of time to do THE RIGHT THING..
 

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