Its teacher silly season again!

#1
I don't normally believe the adage "those who can do, and those who can't teach..." but the example below does make for a scratching of the head.

If teachers are fed up of getting "dissed" then I would have hoped they made the logical leap to decline of discipline=decline of respect and standards. Bring back the teacher from Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall! Otherwise we will be seeing a lot of permanently deferred "deferred success".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4697461.stm

Teachers say no-one should 'fail'

Failure in tests can damage enthusiasm for school, say teachers
"Deferred success" should replace the idea of failure for low-achieving pupils, a teachers' organisation will hear at its annual conference.
The Professional Association of Teachers will be told next week the label of failure could undermine children's enthusiasm for school.

Delegates will also hear a condemnation of the phrase "happy slapping" for bullying recorded on phone cameras.

There will also be calls for better diction in children's television.

Liz Beattie, a retired teacher, will call on the association's annual gathering in Buxton, Derbyshire, to "delete the word 'fail' from the educational vocabulary to be replaced with the concept of 'deferred success'".

She argues that repeated failure, such as in exams, can damage pupils' interest in learning.

Wesley Paxton, a member of the association's council, is supporting the motion - as he argues for a system that "tops up" rather than fails.

"If you engage a builder to build a 5-foot wall and he only does it 4' 9", you fetch him back.

"You don't demolish it and make him start all over again - he simply lays another course of bricks to 'top it up'.

"But failing an exam - especially if it involves repeating an entire year - does demolish and make you start again," said Mr Paxton.

"There is no virtue in doing anything twice in the pursuit of 'academic rigour'," he said.

"Elsewhere we applaud those who persevere, like marathon contestants who take days to complete. It's time we made the word 'fail' redundant and replaced it with 'please do a bit more'."

The association, one of the smaller organisations for teachers, will also hear a call to block the use of the term "happy slapping" - when the attacks recorded on phones should be labelled as either an assault or bullying.

And there will be a call for "the producers of children's programmes to consider and address the presentation, language and diction of those programmes".
 
#2
Whats wrong with these people, telling the failures all through school that they aren't failures only means they get a massive shock when they leave school.

These failures leave school and then wonder why they don't get jobs as managing directors on thousands of pounds a week.

But Blair said education has got better and it obviously has because there aren't any failures anymore....
 
#4
Or as a friend of mine who's a teacher says:

Those who can't, teach. And those who can't teach, teach Geography.

For some reason Geography Teachers are the thickies of the teaching world.

V!
 
#5
Although there are many excellent and dedicated teachers out there, the term "deferred success" must have a sweet smell to many of those marvellous educationalists who acquired their skills in the 60s and 70s and have been scr*wing children up ever since.

I have little doubt that the news PC term can be applied to many of them.
 
#6
Ah yes the liberalisation of the educational system; where ensuring the self-esteem of the young ones is higher then their ability to spell their own name.

The current fashion here in the US is to not use red pens when grading, since red ink has a harmful affect on the esteem of the students since it is percieved as failure. 8O
 
#7
The teaching proffession need to drop the pc bullshit , smell the coffee, and start admitting that life is actually a bit of a bastard and then kids won't leave school with such a shock!
 
#8
I have to agree with much written above, despite being trained as a teacher in the late sixties. All the drivel from the Professional Association of Teachers should be taken with a very very large pinch of salt, just like the tiny membership of that ludicrous (IMHO) organisation. They came into existence in 1970, I think, and I never ever worked in a school that had a teacher that belonged to them.

Anyway, time for a joke that is doing the rounds.....

Engineering graduate: I have designed a machine that will meet all your needs.

Physics graduate: I can explain to you exactly how it works and how it will benefit you.

Arts graduate: Do you want fries with it?
 
#9
Its pratically Orwellian!

.....and so under the rule of King Tony, it came to pass that success in education was greatly increased and under the "re-publication of the dictionary act" 200* Failure became a thing of the past, as did;
Unemployment, - Employmently unutiilised
Waiting list, - Waiting for the Waiting List
Lap dog, - Special relationship
Poverty, - Geldof led popular vote winning theme
and
Tax - Contribtuion.
OK so its a poor example but, FFS the removal of words from the a teachers professional vocabulary so as to prevent the upset of Mong or Idle students. If a student is as thick as to think that a Fail and a "Success deferred" grade arent the same No one if going to mistake a Success for a deferred success! how stupid is that, you can either work or you cant.

That Builder analogy is bollocks ot start with;
If you hire a builder to build you a wall and he builds you a pile of rubble of varying height and quality you dont call call him back to build up the last few feet, and ask if there were incidents in his history that might help you understand his poor performance! You call him a ****ing mong, and tell him he shouldnt work in an indstry in which he clearly cant cope with the basics. Equally if someone fails an exam, You dont tell him "thats alright" you send him off to learn the information to do the exam again, Forget whether he feels stupid doing the exam again, He can ****ing well learn the stuff, all the other blokes that passed the exam did so it cant be that hard! If he genuinely cant pass his GCSE's and cant get his mind round the fact he should work hard and resit then he can go and stack shelves or work in a factory like anyone else would do that doesnt find his forte is in academia.

Whats the point in encouraging them to stick in academia if they cant pass exams solely so as not to offend their ego's.

PC balls!
 
#10
abeaumont said:
Anyway, time for a joke that is doing the rounds.....

Engineering graduate: I have designed a machine that will meet all your needs.
Physics graduate: I can explain to you exactly how it works and how it will benefit you.
Arts graduate: Do you want fries with it?
Three engineers in a car and it breaks down

The first guy says I'm a mechanical engineer, I'll look at the engine
The second guy says I'm an electrical engineer I'll look at the fusebox
The third guy says I'm a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, let's close all the windows, restart the engine and see if that fixes it. :D
 
#11
Not wanting to tar all teachers with the same brush, but the majority of teachers I have met, left school, went to Uni and then on to teacher training, then headed back to school having very limited experience of life outside the 'system'. So how the heck can they be expected to prepare students for life in the 'real' world when most, not all, have not lived in it ?.
 
#12
It is just delaying the foul stench of failure. Eventually, if they make it even to university, they will fail, possibly in their first year's exams - at the latest after the third year - but then with goodness how many thousands of pounds student loan/debt.

Where is the point in a euphemism like "deferred success" when they can't even write an essay after A-levels without using txt talk. :evil: Seems somewhat delusional to me, this latest insanity.
 

maninblack

LE
Book Reviewer
#13
A couple of years ago after a career crisis I looked at teaching as a new direction.

All the direct entry teachers said, and I paraphrase, "Don't, no, it is so stressful."

All the ex engineers and business people who entered teaching late on said, and again I apraphrase.

"Cracking, twenty five grand for a part time job and thirteen weeks holiday"

When told it was so stressful I asked my kid's teacher if she thought her job was more stressfull than manning a checkpoint with 8 guys under your control as a 19 year old NCO or being responsible for the electrical system on a major defence project.

Oddly enough she shut up.
 
#14
The analogy about the wall bothers me:

"If you engage a builder to build a 5-foot wall and he only does it 4' 9", you fetch him back.

"You don't demolish it and make him start all over again - he simply lays another course of bricks to 'top it up'.
If the brickie fcuks up on the first or second layer (s0d's law) and the wall is squint, then the edifice must indeed be knocked down. Likewise, if someone doesn't know basic maths/chemistry/physics/grammar, the later knowledge will be flawed and its back to the start.

I was an instructor during my time in uniform and the underlying principle was ensuring that the student understood what was taught...not any of this short-cut cr@p.
 
#15
What a great idea. Let's introduce it to the Army.

Deferred Success in your WHT. Doesn't matter, we'll give you a gatt anyway.

Can't run an BFT quickly enough, don't worry, we'll give you a LR

Don't want to iron your kit. Ask the nice Sergeant-Major, he'll give you a hand.

Any others?
 
#16
Flippin typical, Dwarf, after your microsoft joke i tried to go to the next page and i got this:-

ERROR
The connection to the database server failed, sorry for the inconvenience

We should be back shortly


[ Go Back ]
anything to do with you???

sparky
 

PK

Old-Salt
#17
PassingBells said:
Deferred Success in your WHT. Doesn't matter, we'll give you a gatt anyway.

Can't run an BFT quickly enough, don't worry, we'll give you a LR

Don't want to iron your kit. Ask the nice Sergeant-Major, he'll give you a hand.
I thought the top two happened already :wink: As for the Sergeant Major ironing uniform I know mine would rather wrap the ironing board around my head :roll:

But yes this deffered success thing is daft. All the kids coming through the system now are going to get a bit of a shock when that nasty F word is used when they start working. Learning to accept or cope with failiure is an important part of life as you're not going to succed with everything you do. You can give it your best shot but every now and then you will fail.
 
#18
There's nothing wrong with failing - it's not trying that is wrong. If someone fails they should try again.

Oops! I screwed that up!

"If you never try, you will never fail" - Homer Simpson. Sage advice indeed. ;)
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
#19
Professional Teachers Association ? How the hell can they claim that they're professional in their work ?
Do these ex-students understand that they should be preparing the pupils for life ?

Strangely enough life is full of setbacks, and if these one-time soap dodgers think that by making everything 'fair' for the children it will in some way assist them in the future, they need to jack their jobs and get into the real world.

This sort of cuddly attitude really p*sses me off !
 
#20
There is nothing wrong with failure, as long as you gave it your best shot, dust yourself off and get on and give it another go. There is something wrong with 'giving up'. But how will you ever learn that if you never actually 'Fail'? If you never actually give 100% and fall short of the mark, how can you ever get that important feeling of achievment which is sweeter when you have just passed something that you have failed before? It's that that fact, that you can fail and go on to pass if you are determined enough that the teachers should be trying to instil in the youth of today. Not that you'll never fail anything because your 'Succes has been defered' or you'll pass because you have to get below 30% to 'not pass'.

If you can't do it you've failed. That's all there is to it and only you can change it.
 

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