Its Started

#1
Brown a Co keep bleating on about how all the, CCTV, Email phone and text message intercepts, ID Cards and tracking the movements of all Citizens with the 'eborders' program is meant to protect us, but yet continue to fail to make any inroads into defeating those that these restrictions are meant to be targeted at.

Great Britain was once a Free and Democratic Country, but not for much longer.

(Jokes Aside) Trainspotter banned from filming train under anti-terror laws
Telegraph Comment Linky


Meanwhile, for the ones that these laws were supposedly designed to defeat, it's business as usual - Not one Terror web sites closed down in the last 4 years.
 
#2
It's simple-slavish unquestioning adherence to the sacred coward's mantra-
Tighten the screw on those you can control(but only the easy ones,mind)or run away from/suck up to the ones you can't.Try and find any piece of either domestic or foreign policy which deviates from the above,particularly over the last ten twleve years,although this has been going on for approximately half a century and more from all 'Governments'. :frustrated:
 
#3
jboldie said:
It's simple-slavish unquestioning adherence to the sacred coward's mantra-
Tighten the screw on those you can control(but only the easy ones,mind)or run away from/suck up to the ones you can't.Try and find any piece of either domestic or foreign policy which deviates from the above,particularly over the last ten twleve years,although this has been going on for approximately half a century and more from all 'Governments'. :frustrated:
Hence the reason that nearly all councils and police forces leave the Pikeys alone to do as they please
 
#4
heard_it_all_before said:
jboldie said:
It's simple-slavish unquestioning adherence to the sacred coward's mantra-
Tighten the screw on those you can control(but only the easy ones,mind)or run away from/suck up to the ones you can't.Try and find any piece of either domestic or foreign policy which deviates from the above,particularly over the last ten twleve years,although this has been going on for approximately half a century and more from all 'Governments'. :frustrated:
Hence the reason that nearly all councils and police forces leave the Pikeys alone to do as they please
Exactly..
 
#5
I doubt if these laws are going to catch any terrorists. Terrorists will use covert surveillance equipment (or Google Streets) and you wont know that he's taking pictures/gathering intelligence. On the other hand the guy at the end of the platform with a cagoule, thermos, pack of sarnies and the Eye Spy book of trains should be arrested as he is clearly a threat.
 
#6
The stasi-facation of Britain continues apace.

The Labour Party-shown in their true light as anti-freedom,but scared to tackle the real criminals,terrorists and scum in British society.
 
#7
A job well done, why target criminals when there are easily subdued members of the public to target instead.
 
#8
Markintime said:
I doubt if these laws are going to catch any terrorists. Terrorists will use covert surveillance equipment (or Google Streets) and you wont know that he's taking pictures/gathering intelligence. On the other hand the guy at the end of the platform with a cagoule, thermos, pack of sarnies and the Eye Spy book of trains should be arrested as he is clearly a threat.
And once again the government falls for movie-plot nonsense. They've all seen the one where Evil Genius spends hours with a humungous long lens lovingly taking photos of his target. It goes with the conventions of the fiction, just like Evil Assassin assembling his sniper rifle like meccano from a tiny attache case, caressing the "silencer" like a dildo, then blowing the toupee of el Presidente's head at 1,000 yds.

Whereas in point of fact there are very few known instances of terrorists taking photographs of their intended targets.

The politicians are ignorant idiots and we end up having to take our nitroglycerine-flavoured shower gel onto the plane in many small jars instead of one big one, and end up with tanks at Heathrow.
 
#9
My cousen is a train spotter, and Iv'e always had a sneeky thought that he was a threat to national security. now I know.
 
#10
Sorry folks but everybody (including the journos) seems to have missed the bigger point here... since when were "Virgin Trains" responsible for the security of our rail network?

Surely this is the province of the British Transport Police rather than some jumped up jobsworth private company. I thought the stations were looked after by Network Rail anyway and virgin just run the trains... or have I got the wrong end of the stick.

Is this just simply more the case that photography of the assets & personell (sp) of paranoid national and multinational companies is to be discouraged in case that are caught doing something they shouldnt by the public?
 
#11
Richard_DeAstardly said:
Sorry folks but everybody (including the journos) seems to have missed the bigger point here... since when were "Virgin Trains" responsible for the security of our rail network?

Surely this is the province of the British Transport Police rather than some jumped up jobsworth private company. I thought the stations were looked after by Network Rail anyway and virgin just run the trains... or have I got the wrong end of the stick.

Is this just simply more the case that photography of the assets & personell (sp) of paranoid national and multinational companies is to be discouraged in case that are caught doing something they shouldnt by the public?
Depends on the Region, some TOCS own the stations, some are run by NR.
 
#12
You can get all sorts of stuff fairly cheaply, eg buttonhole cameras - seen one of these up close on a BBC reporter, you couldn't spot it even close up.

Terrorists will use these.
Investigative journalists will use these.
Groups like Greenpeace will use these, to film ham-fisted coppers removing cameras from other protesters on demonstrations.

Even mobile phones can be used surreptitiously....pretend you are texting, turn off the shutter noise, plenty of images of policemen, trains (yawn...)
 
#13
MrPVRd said:
You can get all sorts of stuff fairly cheaply, eg buttonhole cameras - seen one of these up close on a BBC reporter, you couldn't spot it even close up.

Terrorists will use these.
Investigative journalists will use these.
Groups like Greenpeace will use these, to film ham-fisted coppers removing cameras from other protesters on demonstrations.

Even mobile phones can be used surreptitiously....pretend you are texting, turn off the shutter noise, plenty of images of policemen, trains (yawn...)
How do you know you saw one then? ;)
 
#15
bullet_catcher said:
How ironic, we can take photos of trains in communist China and perhaps even Russia, but not here. We've gone mad.
Labour re-creating the communist bloc they so admired in the 1970s and 1980s?.Photography of railways and trains was prohibited in communist countries during that time.

I wouldn't be surprised to see photography banned at airfields and airports next.

Slightly off-thread,wasn't Hazel Brears encouraging teenagers to inform on their parents last year?.
 
#16
Le_addeur_noir said:
Labour re-creating the communist bloc they so admired in the 1970s and 1980s?.Photography of railways and trains was prohibited in communist countries during that time.
:omg: :?
I learn something new every day! :D
 
#18
vampireuk said:
A job well done, why target criminals when there are easily subdued members of the public to target instead.
A lot of laws that "The Weak" tend to enforce are the ones that are ambiguous or so commonly broken that average Joe/Jane public will break rather than hardened criminal.

This is why we read so many articles about Council Wardens, Housing associations and sadly sometimes Police officers being over zealous and targeting Mollie the disabled pensioner for sneezing in a public place or whatever.

Had Our man been wearing dark clothing and a hood up with chav written all over him he would have probably been ignored as he would pose a threat. However he wasn't. He looked like a bit of an easy target, a nerdy train spotter who won't answer back and as such would be a good result in the days "I told him" tasks.

We all take the p1ss out of such people in society however it gets on my t1ts that such people are targetted by law enforcement. Or in this case have the law twisted to interfere with their private lives.

This government encourages preying on the weak because thats exactly what it does. Laws in this country seem to only be enforced against people who care about having a clean record who will apologise at court and pay their dues to remain respectable. As the chavvy criminal basards couldn't care about a record and lack of punishment so targetting them is put into the too hard to do box by the government and in this case, the weak.
 
#19
I wonder what law changes the desperados will try and sneak through the back door to make this problem go away

10 government databases ‘will break the law’
David Leppard
Sunday Times

AT least 10 of the giant government databases built or planned by ministers unlawfully breach privacy, according to a report.

The computer registers — including the DNA database, the national identity register, the Contactpoint child protection database and the health service patients’ register – all breach human rights and data protection laws, the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust will say in research released tomorrow.

It argues that they should be scrapped or fundamentally redesigned to take privacy objections into account.

The report, whose joint author, an academic expert on privacy at Cambridge University who is one of the most respected in Britain, warns that ministers are planning to spend a further £100 billion on information technology databases over the next five years while only 30% of... Read More



Or what's more worrying, is the thought of once Cyclops has sealed all our borders and denied foriegn travel, how he will implement this Green Policy

UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt
JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a sustainable society.
 
#20
whittingston said:
Closet_Jibber said:
This government encourages preying on the weak because thats exactly what it does. Laws in this country seem to only be enforced against people who care about having a clean record who will apologise at court and pay their dues to remain respectable. As the chavvy criminal basards couldn't care about a record and lack of punishment so targetting them is put into the too hard to do box by the government and in this case, the weak.
Extreamly well put, and very sad that it is completely true...
People don't like confrontation, so as to avoid any such dilemas they will nearly always seek the easiest option. Which as we all well know, is not normally the best option.
 
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