It's not exactly Concorde, but it has potential

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  1. rampant

    rampant LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    This is something I've banged on about a few times on this site, the LEMV & HAV programmes built on a lot of work doen by the now defunct Skycat Co. esp the lift fans. The programme has major potential not only as a loiter observation platform, but also as a strategic lifter - maybe slow but can carry a shep load more. Yet programme we were diddling about with a few years back and then let go. Infuriating ain't it.

    nicked from the Taranis Thread

  2. Gremlin

    Gremlin LE Good Egg (charities)


  3. maguire

    maguire LE Book Reviewer

    a half-billion dollar contract from the septic's makes it sound like they're being taken very seriously indeed.
  4. It also has the potential to become a fancy flying cruise ship in air in the civilian world
  5. I remember a few years back that beardy Branson was talking up the idea of a passenger carrying airship, the mock up picture in "The Scotsman" newspaper had it flying over Edinburgh Castle, had a quick look on the interwebnet but couldn't find pictorial evidence.
  6. Oi! I resemble that remark.

    The R101 was a failure because it was built by Government committees who knew bog all about aircraft design, it leaked hydrogen at an appalling rate, was treated with a dope that made its covering brittle, was grossly underpowered and was sent off to India by politicians who would have been severely embarrassed by the shedloads of money they'd wasted on it if its many failings became public knowledge. Surprisingly, it lost height and flew into the ground.

    R100 was not R101's 'sister-ship'. It was built by a commercial company, a subsidiary of Vickers-Armstrong, and was designed by Barnes Wallis who knew quite a lot about aircraft design. His chief calculator was Neville Shute Norway, who later went on to found Airspeed (makers of some famous aircraft and WW2 gliders); he also later wrote a lot of novels under the name of Neville Shute. He wrote about R100 in his autobiography, 'Sliderule'.

    R100 worked and could have been a commercial sucess. It was scrapped by the goverment who would have been
    severely embarrassed if it had proved viable after the cock-up they'd made of the R101.

    R100 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  7. They have been trying to sell this to the oil industry for many years as a heavy lifter to make deliveries of heavy equipment to isolated sites, but so far no one has taken them up on it. Perhaps if the USA make a success of it, it might also be looked at again as a mover of heavy loads.
  8. Curious to know why the the Skunk Works beastie needs a rolling take-off if it's lighter than air?

    (And they really should put a BFO trunk on the nose to make it look completely like a proper flying elephant, because with those 'legs' that's what it looks like).
  9. "These hybrid air vehicles" are not lighter than air. While part of their lift is provided by the helium in the gas bags, they also rely on the lift generated by their body shape. It would probably depend on how much cargo/fuel is being carried as to whether vertical take-off would be possible.
  10. The Millionth Chance, by James Leasor is a good account of the R101's demise, if you were going to build a disaster waiting to happen, this was textbook case.
    I believe that one reason that Helium wasn't used, aside from it's lower lifting capacity. was that the main producer in commercial quantities was the USA, and they weren't selling it abroad.
  11. Ah, thank you.
  12. At the moment the US pays huge sums to `rent`satellite coverage from civilian providers though It´s got hundreds of It´s own military ones orbiting the Earth, $500,00 million is probably one or two years rental money so such a system would be a huge saving.
  13. (Civvie alert)

    If these things can lift 200 tonnes, perhaps they should be looking at ordinary logistics? Specifically supermarkets, which already have nice big landing areas with their car parks.
  14. East Fortune outside Edinburgh was the launch station for Tiny(R34), which started the whole crossing the atlantic flight adventure.

    William Beardmore and Company Ltd. of Inchinnan constructed her.

    Airshipsonline : Airships : R34