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It's more than 4 battalions

#1
Has anyone else noticed that it's not just 4 battalions that are being scrapped. We are re-organising into LARGE REGIMENTS (ideally, it seems, LARGE/LARGE Regiments).

So as an example no longer
1 PWO, 1 GH, 1 DWR

It will be 1st Bn The Yorkshire Regiment, 2nd Bn The Yorkshire Regiment, 3rd Bn The Yorkshire Regiment.

I have said elsewhere that this makes sense, but starting the, "Not my regiment over my dead body" argument will just allow us to be merged without making it work how we want.

We should be explaining that this change makes life easier for us in the long term, but that the cuts, especially without reductions in commitments, will make life extremely painful now.

I was also glad to see that the Guards have been encouraged to adopt the LARGE/LARGE approach - but I still cannot see 1st Battalion The Guards Regiment just yet....
 
#3
sandy_boots said:
Heard a whisper that the feeling in 1 GH, the senior unamalgamated English regiment, was to do the honourable thing and disband.
Agreed. There's a certain logic. Bit like pi$$ing against the wind.
 
#4
Storeman Norman said:
sandy_boots said:
Heard a whisper that the feeling in 1 GH, the senior unamalgamated English regiment, was to do the honourable thing and disband.
Agreed. There's a certain logic. Bit like pi$$ing against the wind.
Or cutting your nose off to spite your face :-S
 
#5
sandy_boots said:
Heard a whisper that the feeling in 1 GH, the senior unamalgamated English regiment, was to do the honourable thing and disband.
Couple of Regiments did the disband rather than amalgamate thing during the big changes when the large regiments were formed in the late 60s, but then who remembers the Cameronians or The York and Lancasters nowadays any more than the dozens of regiments that went into the Queens, Anglians, RRF or LI?
May be an honourable thing to do but since when did TCH understand that sort of thing …....after all hes a politician!
 
#7
So, the plan now will be to have:
1st Bn Blankshire Regiment (The North Blankshires)
2nd Bn Blamkshire Regiment (The Royal Blankshires)
If you see what I'm driving at?
Will it basically be the "old-Regiments'-names-in-brackets" system?
 
#8
Line_Grunt said:
You'd be surprised how many people remember the cameronians north of the border...
He'd be surprised how many people outside the UK remember the Cameronians 'north of the border'...

Not to mention the Seaforth Highlanders, the Queens Own Cameron Highlanders, the Gordon Highlanders, the Highland Light Infantry.......


He'd be surprised how many people never mention the 'English' units....
 
#9
'You'd be surprised how many people remember the cameronians north of the border'

And they certainly remembered them in in MINDEN, post the Second Battle of.
jon
The original 'Poisoned Dwarfs'.
 
#11
LI = Durham Light Infantry, Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, Kings Shropshire Light Infantry, Somerset and Cornwall Light Infantry (a 1958 amalgamation of Somerset Light Infantry and Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry).

Many many people do remeber the old county regiments. The LI were lucky with their amalgations because of the close links with each other. It is going to be much more difficult to mold the DWR, PWO and GREEN HOWARDS together.
 
#12
atrh said:
So as an example no longer
1 PWO, 1 GH, 1 DWR

It will be 1st Bn The Yorkshire Regiment, 2nd Bn The Yorkshire Regiment, 3rd Bn The Yorkshire Regiment.
Not exactly
Home based Bn (if it survives) will probably the
PWO Bn The Yorkshire Regt based in Catterick, Yorks, GH Bn or DWR in Southern England and one in Germany.
These would be permanent locations, soldiers/officers changing cap badge on posting.

Plus you would have a East & West Riding volunteer Bn with a LI capbadged Coy, the TA situation is unclear. The TA element maybe the only part of the regts to adopt a single capbadge (probably the old Yorks Vols badge).
 

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#13
polar said:
atrh said:
So as an example no longer
1 PWO, 1 GH, 1 DWR

It will be 1st Bn The Yorkshire Regiment, 2nd Bn The Yorkshire Regiment, 3rd Bn The Yorkshire Regiment.
Not exactly
Home based Bn (if it survives) will probably the
PWO Bn The Yorkshire Regt based in Catterick, Yorks, GH Bn or DWR in Southern England and one in Germany.
These would be permanent locations, soldiers/officers changing cap badge on posting.

Plus you would have a East & West Riding volunteer Bn with a LI capbadged Coy, the TA situation is unclear. The TA element maybe the only part of the regts to adopt a single capbadge (probably the old Yorks Vols badge).
Or any permutation thereof. 8 score draws and you win the jackpot.
 
#14
I cannot believe that we will have 3 Bns and every time we trickle post soldiers will change capbadge, rank slides, DZ patches, belts, mess kit, No2 dress, buttons, canes, pace sticks... need I go on?
The ONLY way that could work is three Bns all the same, with perhaps some distinction made with colours or traditions.
 
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#15
atrh said:
I cannot believe that we will have 3 Bns and every time we trickle post soldiers will change capbadge, rank slides, DZ patches, belts, mess kit, No2 dress, buttons, canes, pace sticks... need I go on?
The ONLY way that could work is three Bns all the same, with perhaps some distinction made with colours or traditions.
Exactamundo, you might get a lanyard, if you are lucky.
 
#16
atrh said:
I cannot believe that we will have 3 Bns and every time we trickle post soldiers will change capbadge, rank slides, DZ patches, belts, mess kit, No2 dress, buttons, canes, pace sticks... need I go on?
But it is very easy to change between Bn's, my number 2's are on their 3rd set of buttons. Stable belts, rank slides badges are not a problem, they are only going to change every 3 years and don't cost a lot. Mess kit is a big concern but I can't see much of a problem with a mixed kit mess.

I've found it a lot harder to change units within my current corps - having to completely retrade. The hardest part I found on changing infantry Bn's was having to learn LI drill on a rememberance parade.

One of the big things preventing this is some large regular regiments are going to loose their footprints : all the TA LI are going to be within other new large county regiments.
Also one of the biggest recruiting areas for POW Div : Notts and Derby (WFR), may have no TA presence in this area, as the TA WFR's stand a chance of being Royal Anglian badged (as part of East Of England Bn(V)).
 
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#17
And there will be at least one major region that will not have a *local* regiment, ie the NE (and possibly London )

If we go the large/large route regiments that are not regional eg LI RRF will have to be split up and reallocated to to make *sense*.
 
#18
atrh said:
I cannot believe that we will have 3 Bns and every time we trickle post soldiers will change capbadge, rank slides, DZ patches, belts, mess kit, No2 dress, buttons, canes, pace sticks... need I go on?
I started in the TA infantry, in one of the large regiments with a common capbadge but different "tribal items" for the different associated regiments. Most were mixed, one was "pure" (3/51 HIGHLAND).

Then, in the early 1990s, everything changed; the two "large TA regiments" in the Scottish Division became four single-cap-badge battalions, each with an associated regular 1st Battalion, and a single multi-capbadge battalion. (One of the two remaining Cameronian companies disappeared, and THEM got the TA centre).

Then, in the late 1990s, it all changed again; down to two multi-cap-badge battalions of TA infantry. The last of the Cameronian companies became KOSB. But this time, the old "Brigade badges" were abandoned, apart from LOWLAND (mixed RS and KOSB), and everyone wore the capbadge of their associated Regiment.

I've been crossposted within the Bn, and kept my tribal items (without offence, I hoped); others crossposted and changed them (one friend has worn Douglas, Leslie, and Hunting Stewart behind his capbadge at different times).

Remembering that the primary loyalty of a Territorial is at Company rather than Battalion level, the principles are similar....

TA Battalions formed of Companies from different Regiments seemed to work in my experience; one "workable" attitude seemed to be "I'm proud of my Regiment - but I'm proud of yours too". So forming "Large Regiments" of 1st Battalions from different Regiments seems plausible.
 
#19
Wonder if the TA was used as a experiment for these large county regts. We do seemed to have been buggered about with over the last 15 years.
 
#20
The only way this works is for the whole thing to go - just one uniform for the large Regiment and no changing when posted from bn to bn
 

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