It's kicking off on the Turkey/Syria border

#2
Just heard on Al-J that the TUR PM has been in touch with NATO Sec Gen...
I can imagine Cameron reaching for the phone and calling CDS: 'What exactly do we mean by Article Five commitment?'
 
#3
PM: "CGS, mobilise all of your troops and have them forward base in Turkey. How many do you think you can have there by Mon?"
CGS: "Probably both of them, PM".
 

Brotherton Lad

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#5
Isn't Syria on the way home from Afghanistan? Could stop by for a spot of decompression.
 
#6
If this escalates, the outcome could be very interesting indeed ....
 
#8
The Turks would hardly need our troops on the ground as practically all the adult males in the country are reservists. About the only thing they would need is an assurance that if any other country tries to act on Syria's behalf that Nato would intervene. As this is unlikely to be given the situation will fizzle out as it did after the Turkish F4 shootdown, a lot of noise a few shells & endex until the next time.
 
#9
I can't really see NATO getting involved. Apart from the occasional bit of political bollocks from various politcos in europe regarding the atrocities in Syria it seems clear that the world is happy to stand back and let this end itself. Turkey would be wise to do the same, of course, but since it's next door and Turkey haven't bombed the **** out of anything in a while, they'll be feeling a lot more antsy.

Let them scrap, see how it ends, that's what I say. I imagine NATO might be thinking the same thing.
 
#10
Neighbours of ours are flying out to Turkey on Friday. The wife is nails so problem solved.
 
#11
Why haven't we started slapping anyone that stands up and declares they need a slapping?

We did in Libya, but we now seem willing to stand back and let innocents be killed and maimed.
 
#12
Why haven't we started slapping anyone that stands up and declares they need a slapping?

We did in Libya, but we now seem willing to stand back and let innocents be killed and maimed.
Libya had no friends and Dave got a glorious victory with slightly less enemy opposition than Zanzibar put up in 1896.

Syria are friends with Russia who, despite their numerous documented problems, are still huge, nails and ****ing mental.
 
#13
Neighbours of ours are flying out to Turkey on Friday. The wife is nails so problem solved.
Turkey has been containing an almost full-blown war against the Kurds in the east and south-east areas of the country for years - if they can't deal with this, there is definitely something wrong in the Order Of Things.
 
#14
Syria are friends with Russia who, despite their numerous documented problems, are still huge, nails and ****ing mental.
True, but friends akin with the sort of friends who pop out and buy drugs and booze for their addicted friend.

Basically Russia is pete docherty to Syria's Amy Whitehouse.
 
#17
Why haven't we started slapping anyone that stands up and declares they need a slapping?

We did in Libya, but we now seem willing to stand back and let innocents be killed and maimed.
As with any of these Arab countries... who exactly are the innocents? There are plenty of videos on the net showing the "rebels" beheading people and committing other atrocities.

There are still plenty of videos coming out of Iraq, showing death squads killing people... and as for Libya, well, just look at the whole "Innocence of Muslims" thing where the US Ambassador got slotted.

The whole area has gone to shit - everytime NATO sticks their noses in it just results in proxy wars and religious nutjobs trying to fill the power vacuum.


Arab Spring? Arab bollocks!
 

CanteenCowboy

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#18
I know Turkey's Military has been fighting the Kurds for quite a long time now, but when was the last time 'Johnny Turk' went 'toe to toe' with another army?

IIRC the had quite a scrap with the Greeks in the 1920's post Ottoman Empire, when the Greeks tried to roll back history by seizing a portion of Asia Minor, with an emplaced Greek population, but got handed their own arsse by Ataturk's new Army.

I know the military's grip on the reins of power has been weakened by the pro-islamist party now in power, would they, or even could they, provoke a intervention?

The governing party in turkey seems very critical of Syrian regime, and probably favours the rebels as it appears to be a main backer.
 

DieHard

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#19
if this escalated and Turkey invoked article 5 which NATO members would intervene? In theory it should be all members, obviously some countries are very stretched with current ops. Would Russia and China see it as weakness within NATO? Would North Korea take advantage? If Syria did more attacks and NATO stood by, what would Iran think?
It makes my head spin just thinking about it all.
So far Turkey has just called an urgent meeting under article 4. Unfortunate as it is with the deaths, from what I have heard and read it was all from one mortar round which was supposedly aimed at the border post by rebels, either the Syrian army are fcking awful shots or it was an act off aggression towards turkey and NATO.
I suppose we will have to see what comes out in the washing
 

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