Italians bribe Taleban... and dont tell the rest of NATO.

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  1. Came across this today in The Times (British broadsheet) in regards to some rather monumental screw ups by the Italians in Afghanistan that lead to 10 dead, and 23 wounded French servicemen last year, due to no intelligence sharing by the Italians during, and after, their stay in Sarobi, east of Kabul.

    This was a particularly... nasty attack, which was shown by the mutilated and looted corpses that showed up afterwards. Unsuprisingly, the French public were horrified.

    Its often been said, you cannot buy an Afghan, you only rent him. And god forbid when that cashflow stops, as the French found out.

    Overall, i'm fairly disgusted with this, as its effectively a betrayal of the rest of NATO. As stated in the article, the French were made unaware of the fact that the Taleban were about to attack, and the area was hostile - why would they think otherwise, after all?

    Of course, its hardly suprising that the Italians are denying it, but what other reason could there be for a sudden 150 strong force to mass against a new NATO force, particularly when it had been near enough silent on the Italian overwatch? To be honest, i find it slightly... disturbing, that the Italians omitted to tell any of their allies, and it only came to light due to intercepted telephone conversations. Very scary. Either way, they need a serious dressing down for this one, as due to their stupidity theres 10 dead French personnel.

    I'd be interested to see other's thoughts on this one as well, o' course.
     
  2. No real surprise from Italy, they paid Millions for Giuliana Sgrena in 2005 what did they think that money went for, Ice Cream?
     
  3. Italians and bribes - not a combination that you often read.
     
  4. Cant they be tossed out?
     
  5. hopefully the french have changed their views of the fecking locals and are packing decent firepower now!

    As for the Italians, bloody discraceful paying terrorists who attack their allies .

    get them the feck out of nato ! :evil:

    Ps while they are dishing out money give loads to the frenchies families they have betrayed ...


    fecking wops!
     
  6. With allies like that who needs enemies. I think a public slap across the face is required so they know just how beyond the pale this is! :x Also raises the question is this going on with any other allies?
     
  7. What was the money the paid spent on? Killing the rest of NATO?

    Have they not funded terrorism?
     
  8. Most likely funded the killers of the lads who got sent up in that patrol.

    In all fairness, you can hardly argue that the US, and UK, haven't done the same elsewhere. That said, we made sure our allies were aware of it, and made no secret deals that could threaten personnel's lives.

    It could be argued that the Italians good enough put a bullet in the Frenchies due to their inept actions.
     
  9. Looks like the smallest Italian book written about Afghanistan is similar to the one written about the Italians in North Africe - The Book of Italian War Heroes
     
  10. From The First Post

    "Robert Fox: They’ve been accused of doing this before – in Iraq and Somalia
    By Robert FoxFIRST POSTED OCTOBER 15, 2009Fifteen years after Italy rocked the world with its 'tangentopoli' (bribesville) scandal - showing corruption as a way of political life - it stands accused today of a secret policy of buying off the Taliban from attacking Italian troops in Afghanistan.

    Bribery led to tragedy in the Sorobi valley east of Kabul because - it is alleged - when the Italians pulled out they forgot to tell the French who were replacing them that they had been buying peace from the Taliban with hard cash.

    The French entered the valley in relaxed mode and suffered 10 dead in an ambush on a supply convoy - the worst single killing of a group of ISAF soldiers to date. The bodies were stripped and mutilated; the Taliban paraded for videos in French uniforms and kit.

    Shocking maybe, but the story broken by the Times and reported by The First Post should not surprise. Bribery seems to be an established way of life or m.o. in a number or recent Italian peacekeeping exercises.

    A po-faced statement from the Italian embassy in London today denies any such payments were made. Yet I understand the Times has been ultra-cautious in its charges because the prime source was US intelligence intercepts of mobile phone conversations between Italian Intelligence (SISMI) agents and Taliban warlords.

    Similar charges have been laid before. It is believed that the Italians tried the same approach with insurgents when they were in Nasiriya in southern Iraq. They are also believed to have used a system of subsidy and reward to buy off militias in Somalia in the 1990s.

    It's the kind of thing the British did in the Indian Raj, and Afghanistan, in the 19th Century. A former British Chief of Defence Staff, Lord Boyce, loves to quote the Kipling-esque adage, "You can't buy an Afghan's loyalty for life, but you can rent it by the hour."

    The bribe tactic is very limited and often rebounds on the bribers. A senior Afghan security official speaking unofficially in London today said he was sure that some kind of greasing of Taliban palms had been going on. He didn't like it, and he thought it self-defeating.

    He said he thought payments had been made, possibly by the Italians, to a notorious Jihadi warlord called Ghulam Yahya Akbari, a former mayor of Herat and known as the 'Tajik Taliban'.

    "He used the money to build himself an army and buy in fighters. So we had to kill him," my Afghan security source told me.

    Akbari and 15 of his leaders and fighters were killed in a special forces strike in western Herat in early February this year. He is known to have hosted Saudi recruits to al-Qaeda and to have been an ally of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's Hezb-e-Islami, an extreme Taliban affiliate with strong Pakistani backing.

    The French and many other ISAF allies feel betrayed by the alleged Italian financial operations. As for the Italians, have they not heeded the tale of Ethelred the Unready, King of the Western Saxons, who believed he could bribe the Norse invaders to keep off his turf? Though he paid his 'Danegeld' - actually silver, not gold - by the sackful, the Vikings kept coming back for more. "

    john
    Still it must be admited that Bribery is a way of life in the Exotic orient.
     
  11. I recall the Italians did something similar in Somalia back in the day