It seems the Syrians were after a nuke...

#1
Timesonline story.

IT was just after midnight when the 69th Squadron of Israeli F15Is crossed the Syrian coast-line. On the ground, Syria’s formidable air defences went dead. An audacious raid on a Syrian target 50 miles from the Iraqi border was under way.

At a rendezvous point on the ground, a Shaldag air force commando team was waiting to direct their laser beams at the target for the approaching jets. The team had arrived a day earlier, taking up position near a large underground depot. Soon the bunkers were in flames.

Ten days after the jets reached home, their mission was the focus of intense speculation this weekend amid claims that Israel believed it had destroyed a cache of nuclear materials from North Korea.

The Israeli government was not saying. “The security sources and IDF [Israeli Defence Forces] soldiers are demonstrating unusual courage,” said Ehud Olmert, the prime minister. “We naturally cannot always show the public our cards.”
Naughty naughty.

As an aside some of the comments on the story are barking.
Typical of a canadian. The Isreali's and the US will destroy the Iranians abilities to produce Atomic weapons, and this was dress rehearsal. Canada and Europe can go on with their declining populations and socialist granny systems, while the US defends the world from the present and future threats. God Bless George W. Bush.

Tommy, jacksonville, USA
Yeeeee haaaarrrr. :roll:
 
#2
As a general rule of thumb: any article the Times (esp. the Sunday Times) publishes about the Middle East is bollocks (with the honourable exception of Christina Lamb-esque With Our Boys in XXX stuff).

It's really a cheerleading neocon propapaganda organ, and never backs up its startling claims.
 
#3
Rumpelstiltskin said:
As a general rule of thumb: any article the Times (esp. the Sunday Times) publishes about the Middle East is bollocks (with the honourable exception of Christina Lamb-esque With Our Boys in XXX stuff).

It's really a cheerleading neocon propapaganda organ, and never backs up its startling claims.
Generally people should not generalise.
 
#4
Rumpelstiltskin said:
As a general rule of thumb: any article the Times (esp. the Sunday Times) publishes about the Middle East is bollocks (with the honourable exception of Christina Lamb-esque With Our Boys in XXX stuff).

It's really a cheerleading neocon propapaganda organ, and never backs up its startling claims.
It doesn't mean its not true.

But thanks for your well thought out contribution there. Perhaps you can go and give frenchie a call and open a thread about the 4th Estate conspiracy to delude us all. :roll:
 
#5
What year was this supposed to have happened?
 
#6
err last week apparently.
 
#7
Ord_Sgt said:
Rumpelstiltskin said:
As a general rule of thumb: any article the Times (esp. the Sunday Times) publishes about the Middle East is bollocks (with the honourable exception of Christina Lamb-esque With Our Boys in XXX stuff).

It's really a cheerleading neocon propapaganda organ, and never backs up its startling claims.
It doesn't mean its not true.

But thanks for your well thought out contribution there. Perhaps you can go and give frenchie a call and open a thread about the 4th Estate conspiracy to delude us all. :roll:
Err... I'm not a tinfoil hat-wearing loon, I work for a major international news organisation and my best friends are broadsheet journalists- including for the Sunday Times. My sceptical attitude to elements of the press derives from working for it.

I've been following this story since it broke- I even started the thread on it here: http://arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=76758.html )- and have noted that only the Times and the right-wing Israeli press (quoting the Times) give credence to the nuke theory. Haaretz is, true to form, discussing likelier alternatives: a warning to Iran, say, or disruption of supplies to Hezbullah.

But going back to the Times, feel free to look up any of their archive of War On Terror Exclusive Sunday extravaganzas and see how many of them have any basis in fact.
 
#8
Sure but whinging on that the Times is a 'neocon propaganda organ' doesn't really add much to the original post does it. In fact you added nothing at all except look at me I'm a media expert, good for you mate enjoy your job. I worked for AP and even Vodafone in the past too but this has nothing to do with the story as to weather the Syrians were after nukes and weather the evil Jews bombed them.

Theres a good saying if you have nothing to say say nothing. Thanks for dropping by. :roll:
 
#9
Rumpelstiltskin said:
I work for a major international news organisation and my best friends are broadsheet journalists.
So only the paper you read tells the truth :roll: and how long did you do in the armed forces ?
 
#10
At some point the IDF are going to miss stopping one of the arab states making an atomic bomb and then Israel and the West are in the cag.
 
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Ord_Sgt said:
Sure but whinging on that the Times is a 'neocon propaganda organ' doesn't really add much to the original post does it. In fact you added nothing at all except look at me I'm a media expert, good for you mate enjoy your job. I worked for AP and even Vodafone in the past too but this has nothing to do with the story as to weather the Syrians were after nukes and weather the evil Jews bombed them.

Theres a good saying if you have nothing to say say nothing. Thanks for dropping by. :roll:
Quite frankly, it's anyone's guess as to whether or not the Syrians were caught glowing-handed. As Haaretz has it,

Suspicious cargo from North Korea, according to the report in The Washington Post; North Korean know-how for enriching uranium, according to Fox News; an aerial-photography mission, according to The New York Times; or weapons systems and "a big hole in the desert," according to CNN
The info coming out is completely contradictory, so far. Perhaps it is true; N Korea reacted pretty stridently to it. However, I know for a fact that quality control at the Sunday Times is very low when it comes to their reporting of the Middle East, and felt justified in stating that. Their reporting of the run up to the invasion of Iraq was a disgrace, for instance. If you think I'm adding nothing by stating that we should beware of speculation presented as fact by a newspaper with a long record of doing just that, during a period of escalating tension vis-a-vis Israel & Syria and US and Iran, then that's your call.

I only presented my credentials when you called me a far-left conspiracy theorist.

And VB: I'm an officer cadet in the TA. Sorry if that's not warry enough for you. I intend to make it warry as soon as possible.
 
#12
ViolentBadger said:
Rumpelstiltskin said:
I work for a major international news organisation and my best friends are broadsheet journalists.
So only the paper you read tells the truth :roll: and how long did you do in the armed forces ?
:lol: :lol: :lol: Stop fighting pen pushers :lol: :lol: :lol: Any body found a nuke yet. :? :? :?
 
#13
Mate do you like the sound of your own voice or something. I posted a story on what is after all the Army RUMOUR service for some comment. It may or may not be true, time will tell.

You jump in pointing out the newspaper concerned are not to be trusted, fair enough, but throwing in the neocon mouthpiece tag just indicates you have bias. I point this out and suggest common ground with another poster who whinges all day that the press are out to get us all and you say I called you a tin hat wearing leftie. Your inference not mine. You then go on to bore us all with nothing whatsover about the thread. Mate theres no need to be so dull you know, try going outside and talking with other people its quite fun, theres girls and everything.

As for wary officer cadet stuff, what in hells name has that got to do with this thread? But well done....
 
#14
"The Syrians were after a nuke"?

Good Lord, I'm glad I'm sitting down else I might fall over from shock....after all, Syria is a land of freedom and happiness, where the alleyways of the souks in Damascus flow with milk and honey and the people give thanks for living 'neath the enlightened rule of the House of Assad, headed as it is by the young and vibrant Bashar al-Assad, and his 'Western' wife, who must be pro-Western as they have lived 'in the West' and speak English (good enough for me, yes indeedy...)

frenchperson et al are a little slow out of the blocks in poo-poohing this story.

I must say that I find the idea of The Times being a 'neocon propaganda organ' hilarious.
 
#15
ViolentBadger said:
At some point the IDF are going to miss stopping one of the arab states making an atomic bomb and then Israel and the West are in the cag.
You dont half talk some crap, why on earth would we be in the crap if any middle east states have nuclear weapons procured covertly.

Ok wiat they have....Isreal.

When are we going to invade them for there WMD .... bugly
 
#17
Since the Brits and Yanks developed nukes in 1945 the Russians managed shortly afterwards, although they cheated a bit. Followed by the Frogs and China.

Despite a concerted effort to prevent anyone else having them the following nations developed nuclear weapons: Israel, South Africa (they gave theirs up before the move to majority rule), Pakistan and India. It's generally accepted most first world nations have the ability if not the urge to do so.

It's only really a matter of time before one of these nut job nations get one. The question then is are we all fcuked when they do? One school of thought I guess is they don't value human life and would not it seems be troubled in setting one off, despite the massive retaliation that will come.

I think to be fair Halo comparing Israel having nukes and Iran or Syria is a bit like comparing apples and oranges.
 
#19
gallowglass said:
"The Syrians were after a nuke"?

Good Lord, I'm glad I'm sitting down else I might fall over from shock....after all, Syria is a land of freedom and happiness, where the alleyways of the souks in Damascus flow with milk and honey and the people give thanks for living 'neath the enlightened rule of the House of Assad, headed as it is by the young and vibrant Bashar al-Assad, and his 'Western' wife, who must be pro-Western as they have lived 'in the West' and speak English (good enough for me, yes indeedy...)

frenchperson et al are a little slow out of the blocks in poo-poohing this story.

I must say that I find the idea of The Times being a 'neocon propaganda organ' hilarious.
Syria's far from being our worst enemy in the region. It may be a dictatorship, but at least it's a secular pluralist one. I'd far rather be a Christian in Syria than anywhere else in the region (other than Lebanon)...which is why so many Midde Eastern Christians are flcoking there, including from the shining success that is Iraq.

As to the Times, no journalists take it at all seriously. It used to be the paper of record; now it's a middlebrow comic peppered with lurid, unsubstantiated claims. But hey.

edited to add this, from an Israeli Govt official:
JERUSALEM, Jan 7, 2007 (AFP) - A senior Israeli official dismissed as "absurd" a report in The Sunday Times that the Jewish state had drawn up plans to destroy arch-foe Iran's uranium enrichment facilities in a tactical nuclear strike.

"This is absurd information coming from a newspaper that has already in the past distinguished itself with sensationalist headlines that in the end amounted to nothing," the official told AFP on condition of anonymity.
 
#20
Ord_Sgt said:
Since the Brits and Yanks developed nukes in 1945 the Russians managed shortly afterwards, although they cheated a bit. Followed by the Frogs and China.

Despite a concerted effort to prevent anyone else having them the following nations developed nuclear weapons: Israel, South Africa (they gave theirs up before the move to majority rule), Pakistan and India. It's generally accepted most first world nations have the ability if not the urge to do so.

It's only really a matter of time before one of these nut job nations get one. The question then is are we all fcuked when they do? One school of thought I guess is they don't value human life and would not it seems be troubled in setting one off, despite the massive retaliation that will come.

I think to be fair Halo comparing Israel having nukes and Iran or Syria is a bit like comparing apples and oranges.
:? You are not wrong :?
 

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