It’s nice to be rich enough to not need aid.

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  1. TheIronDuke

    TheIronDuke LE Book Reviewer

    Did you just call my bird a puff?
  2. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

    @Blogg ? That bloke in the pink dress just LOOKED at your pint! thin end of the wedge mate- 'ave a word!
  3. How do you ensure an impoverished country has little or no hope of self redemption?

    Give money to one of the many NGO's whose business case only thrives on a continued cycle of dependency.

    A lot of depressing work on that
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  4. If you give a poor man a meal you will need to feed him again tomorrow but if you give him internet access he won't bother you again for a year.
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  5. Isn't it about time India (and others) gave us (The UK) aid? Indias economy will be better than ours soon.
    And we want reparations for having been in charge of a country with no toilets, introducing toilets, only to see them defecate in the street still! The r***y f*****s.
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  6. Since the initial $255 million suspension was ‘not needed’ ...and as Pakistan has apparently not responded in an appropriate manner, it appear that now appears that the US may up the ante.

    Now up to $900 million in security aid has been suspended.
    U.S. suspends at least $900 million in security aid to Pakistan

    The United States has provided Pakistan more than $33 billion in aid since 2002

    Seems that various countries who have happily accepted US money, and have continued to vote against, criticise and not co-operate with, may well find that a certain change of attitude adjustment might just be in order these days.

    In a report in 2014 the U.S. disbursed $33.2 billion—$19 billion in economic assistance to 184 countries and $14.2 billion in military assistance to 142 countries. Out of the top six U.S. foreign aid recipients, five of them were Muslim countries.
    U.S. Gives Financial Aid to 96% of All Countries

    Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas has just refused to meet with American officials regarding the peace process, saying the US has relinquished its role as a mediator in peace talks. U.S. government is the leading provider of bilateral development and humanitarian assistance to the Palestinians. More than USD 5.2 billion provided since 1994 through USAID.

    In 2012-2016 USAID provided over $1.7 billion in bilateral development and humanitarian assistance to the Palestinians in education; health; private enterprise; security assistance; water and sanitation; and infrastructure.

    One key Palestinian recipient of US funding is the Palestinian Authority’s Security Forces, $260m, with an additional $50m used to support Palestinian security services.

    In addition to saving the US taxpayer money it may well find it is not being quite so taken for granted.

    Yes UK foreign aid is a good thing, when supervised correctly, and goes to where it is most needed. The poor, sick, and disadvantaged.

    Too often unfortunately is is going to ridiculous, ill though out projects, overstaffed, overpaid NGO administrators, and siphoned off by corrupt officials. Rushed hastily through to meet quotas by budget deadlines.

    UK Foreign aid could certainly take better scrutiny.
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  7. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer the case of Vietnam;

    CORRUPTION IN VIETNAM | Facts and Details
  8. And a Facebook, Twitter, instragm , snapchat page. One presumes no matter how much aid we give them it won't make up for stealing their culture, and natural resources during the imperial period of this fine upstanding country of ours, let's forget the partition and civil deaths. Cannon fodder. Bunch of savages till we turned up.
  9. As Comptroller of the fleet of black Ford Mondeos (They used to be Vauxhall Senators, but Austerity, you know) I concur that each Tuesday morning's meeting of the National Security Council commences with a JIO intelligence briefing drawn from Arrse. The PM is so impressed that she might dispense with GCHQ and the other agencies and employ a group of superannuated old soaks who have barely an A level between them and smell of wee. But they also wear blazers, which look quite smart, even though they have a propensity to wear cardigans when the weather gets a bit nippy.
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  10. DfiD doesn't give money to governments. The money is dispensed to local groups as close as to the coalface as possible. Now that can be to NGOs or companies contracted to deliver programmes. Not perfect and money is (probably) hijacked by local n'er do wells.
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  11. I'm based overseas with HMG but have to return to the UK regularly for specialist treatment at the Royal Free or UCHL. The waiting areas at the Royal Free reminds me of Transit Lounges at Dubai (in terms of the users), with patients complete with plastic-wrapped luggage - clearly just having arrived from the airport. Now I doubt many of them are in the same situation as me and it does make my liberal blood boil given the waiting time for specialist appointments.

    But I wonder if there's wider corruption within the NHS? To get a specialist appointment you need a hospital number and a referral from a GP. And you need an NHS number to get that far. Are there corrupt admissions staff and/or GPs? I wonder if the losses are much greater than the NHS admits or even knows? Because these patients would appear on the system to be legitimate and entitled patients. But there's also a "whatever" approach by some of the staff. If, on the odd occasion I have to give my foreign address, there's not a scintilla of concern about my entitlements. My treatment for a lysosomal disorder is iro £250 000 pa.

    As an aside, as I was checking in to fly to post just before Christmas at Manchester, ahead of me in the Business Class queue there was an elderly Iranian chap (I recognised the passport), heavily bandaged and in a clearly requisitioned NHS wheelchair. But what was of equal concern was the two minders who were helping him check in and constantly on their phones speaking Turkish and Arabic - and English of course. They didn't treat him like family, but as a piece of baggage and spoke to him in English - not Farsi. It makes me wonder if this health tourism isn't an organised criminal enterprise.

    Edited to add: Saw this in the DM (I know...) but it seems to validate what I've seen:

    Health tourist racks up Britain's biggest unpaid NHS bill | Daily Mail Online
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  12. There's a good book that came out about 10 years ago called Pakistan Inc. It's about the role of the Army in Pakistan, and their fingers that are in every pie - running factories, hospitals, airports and the like. But I also know two very fine Pakistani officers who I attended a foreign staff college with. Very much pro-British and Old School in their manners and professionalism. One has just retired as. Brigadier; the other is a Colonel Commanding an infantry regiment in FATA. He's lost a lot of men fighting insurgents in what is basically the foot hills of the Himalaya ranges.
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  13. And sadly two good men don’t make up for other 99.9%.
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  14. I prefer Pratchett's version, along the lines of:

    "If you allow a man to sit by your fire you'll warm him till it burns out. If you set fire to him, he'll be warm for the rest of his life".
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