It’s nice to be rich enough to not need aid.

The Department for International Development says the biggest regional beneficiary is Africa, which received a total of £2.54bn from the UK last year.

Nigeria was one of the largest recipients of aid from the UK, with £263m given.
Critics of Nigeria's leadership say it is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.
Lets just offer training and education instead
No Money
DfiD doesn't give money to governments. The money is dispensed to local groups as close as to the coalface as possible. Now that can be to NGOs or companies contracted to deliver programmes. Not perfect and money is (probably) hijacked by local n'er do wells.
 
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Given the reported blank refusal of London based doctors at NHS Hospitals that have a major problem with people deliberately flyinging into the UK for free treatment they're not entitled to and refuse to pay for to either only action life saving treatment or charge said patients I suspect medical staff are refusing to action any process that exists to charge for missing appointments. If said staff had their budgets and then their wages docked for refusing to actio charges they'd soon learn.

As a side note I seriously think the Nigerian and any other African country we give any aid to should be presented with the full outstanding bills for all treatment and their aid docked accordingly

There is also evidence that NHS Hospitals fail to cross charge EU countries whose citizens are treated at our cost. That needs to be ended.
I'm based overseas with HMG but have to return to the UK regularly for specialist treatment at the Royal Free or UCHL. The waiting areas at the Royal Free reminds me of Transit Lounges at Dubai (in terms of the users), with patients complete with plastic-wrapped luggage - clearly just having arrived from the airport. Now I doubt many of them are in the same situation as me and it does make my liberal blood boil given the waiting time for specialist appointments.

But I wonder if there's wider corruption within the NHS? To get a specialist appointment you need a hospital number and a referral from a GP. And you need an NHS number to get that far. Are there corrupt admissions staff and/or GPs? I wonder if the losses are much greater than the NHS admits or even knows? Because these patients would appear on the system to be legitimate and entitled patients. But there's also a "whatever" approach by some of the staff. If, on the odd occasion I have to give my foreign address, there's not a scintilla of concern about my entitlements. My treatment for a lysosomal disorder is iro £250 000 pa.

As an aside, as I was checking in to fly to post just before Christmas at Manchester, ahead of me in the Business Class queue there was an elderly Iranian chap (I recognised the passport), heavily bandaged and in a clearly requisitioned NHS wheelchair. But what was of equal concern was the two minders who were helping him check in and constantly on their phones speaking Turkish and Arabic - and English of course. They didn't treat him like family, but as a piece of baggage and spoke to him in English - not Farsi. It makes me wonder if this health tourism isn't an organised criminal enterprise.

Edited to add: Saw this in the DM (I know...) but it seems to validate what I've seen:

Health tourist racks up Britain's biggest unpaid NHS bill | Daily Mail Online
 
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55% of Pakistan's GDP spent on defense? In the absence of any real existential threat? That kind of backs up what an Indian fella was telling me recently, that while India is making good headway in rolling out infrastructure and services to more and more of their citizens, Pakistan simply doesn't. They're all about military posturing. So I'm sure any wodges of cash Pakistan can extract in the form of foreign aid would go toward just keeping the lights on.
There's a good book that came out about 10 years ago called Pakistan Inc. It's about the role of the Army in Pakistan, and their fingers that are in every pie - running factories, hospitals, airports and the like. But I also know two very fine Pakistani officers who I attended a foreign staff college with. Very much pro-British and Old School in their manners and professionalism. One has just retired as. Brigadier; the other is a Colonel Commanding an infantry regiment in FATA. He's lost a lot of men fighting insurgents in what is basically the foot hills of the Himalaya ranges.
 
If you give a poor man a meal you will need to feed him again tomorrow but if you give him internet access he won't bother you again for a year.
I prefer Pratchett's version, along the lines of:

"If you allow a man to sit by your fire you'll warm him till it burns out. If you set fire to him, he'll be warm for the rest of his life".
 
I'm based overseas with HMG but have to return to the UK regularly for specialist treatment at the Royal Free or UCHL. The waiting areas at the Royal Free reminds me of Transit Lounges at Dubai (in terms of the users), with patients complete with plastic-wrapped luggage - clearly just having arrived from the airport. Now I doubt many of them are in the same situation as me and it does make my liberal blood boil given the waiting time for specialist appointments.

But I wonder if there's wider corruption within the NHS? To get a specialist appointment you need a hospital number and a referral from a GP. And you need an NHS number to get that far. Are there corrupt admissions staff and/or GPs? I wonder if the losses are much greater than the NHS admits or even knows? Because these patients would appear on the system to be legitimate and entitled patients. But there's also a "whatever" approach by some of the staff. If, on the odd occasion I have to give my foreign address, there's not a scintilla of concern about my entitlements. My treatment for a lysosomal disorder is iro £250 000 pa.

As an aside, as I was checking in to fly to post just before Christmas at Manchester, ahead of me in the Business Class queue there was an elderly Iranian chap (I recognised the passport), heavily bandaged and in a clearly requisitioned NHS wheelchair. But what was of equal concern was the two minders who were helping him check in and constantly on their phones speaking Turkish and Arabic - and English of course. They didn't treat him like family, but as a piece of baggage and spoke to him in English - not Farsi. It makes me wonder if this health tourism isn't an organised criminal enterprise.

Edited to add: Saw this in the DM (I know...) but it seems to validate what I've seen:

Health tourist racks up Britain's biggest unpaid NHS bill | Daily Mail Online
I have a mate whose mother is from FYR
She nips back home on visits and occasionally gets things done like a bit for dental work which is cheaper over there
More likely than not she returns with a family member invariably older who has the summer as guest of the NHS.
I assume the cost of a low budget airline ticket back and forth is far cheaper than the medical care
 
It can be see that the Government is aware of public anger at the scale of foreign aid, and where it is being spent, by todays comment of the new minister in charge.
Poorer countries must 'put their hands in their pockets': UK warns of cuts to aid

The minute she did however she came under immediate criticism.
Minister criticised for promising to spend UK foreign aid in 'the national interest' rather than focusing on the world's poorest people

There are those who would have the UK 'eradicate poverty' by handouts. The money would of course have to come from the rich.

There are certain people who just love spending other people money, hate the rich and would like nothing better than 'taxing them until the pips squeak’, and, throwing open the gates of this country open and allowing the third world in, to' rub the noses of the ‘............s’ in this country in diversity’.

Which is exactly what they did, and in part why the social services in this country are so overloaded... and, why people are wondering why we spend so much abroad when we have creaking services here.
 
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It appears that the US is tiring of spending unending millions on the ‘Peace loving Palastinians'

A review of U.S. assistance to the Palestinian Authority and in the West Bank and Gaza has been made to ensure that the funds are spent in accordance with U.S. national interests and provide value to the U.S. taxpayer. As a result of that review, they will be redirecting more than $200 million that had been intended for programs in the West Bank and Gaza.

One main issue the U.S. has had with support for the Palestinian Authority had been its payments made to the families of Palestinians killed, injured or jailed for attacks on Israel.

The Trump administration has repeatedly demanded that those payments from a so-called "martyrs' fund" be halted because they encourage terrorism. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has refused to do so. It has been reported that the Palestinian Authority paid terrorists and their families nearly $350million last year, money that the UK also contributes to.

The Palestine Liberation Organisation has denounced the decision, calling it "the use of ‘cheap' blackmail as a political tool. The Palestinian people and leadership will not be intimidated and will not succumb to coercion."

The United States has been the worlds largest donor of aid to the Palestinians since the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1994. This aid totaling around $600 million annually in recent years. Since 1994 providing the Palestinians with more than $5.2 billion.

The money used for developing and sustaining the Palestinian Authority, support for debt relief, helping to pay the medical debts of Palestinians in Israeli or other foreign hospitals, sanitation, economic development in the public and private sectors, infrastructure development, education, governance, health and essential humanitarian assistance to the Gaza Strip.

US accused of 'blackmail' after slashing aid budget to Palestinian Territories by $200m

A survivor of Palestinian peace lovers comments. (Those peace lovers and families who will be receiving aid money from the Palestinian 'Martyr’s Fund.’)
The Terror Within: A Survivor’s Tale

The two women Kay Wilson British and Kriten Luken American were accosted by two Palestinian terrorists while out walking. Ms Wilson said: ‘We were held for 30 minutes at knife point then gagged and bound before being butchered with machetes. ‘I watched my friend chopped up before my eyes, and only survived because I played dead, despite being stabbed 13 times and having over 30 bones broken by the sheer force of the blows. ‘Each time he plunged his machete into me I could hear my bones crunch, and also my flesh ripping from the serrated blade. ‘They left, only to return moments later and roll me over, and I watched him plunge the knife into my chest, just missing my heart.’

A month after the attack, Israeli police arrested members of the Palestinian terror cell responsible for the murder of Luken and the attempted murder of Wilson. The police relied upon Wilson's testimony, and DNA samples produced from the blood stains of Ayad Fasafa, who had been lightly stabbed by Wilson in the attack. Ayad Fasafa and Kifah Ghanimat were linked to the scene and confessed to the crime. Kifah Ghanimat was the leader of a Palestinian terror cell of four members, residents of the Hebron region, that included Ayad Fasafa and Ibrahim Ghanimat.

In addition to admitting to Luken's murder, members of the terror cell also confessed to the murder of Neta Sorek from earlier that year and additional stabbing and shooting attacks. The men declared their goal of murdering Jews. The Palestinian cell were indicted for two murders, two attempted murders, a rape and a series of other violent crimes. Later police uncovered 13 cell members who were also suspected of committing 21 different crimes between 1997 and 2010.

But months after the convictions Miss Wilson discovered the men’s families were being paid. She was understandably upset and stated
‘That was outrageous in itself. But when I, as a proud British citizen, discover that my homeland is paying their families a monthly income, the absolute unfairness of it all is just devastating.' They are now each receiving at least £9,000 in ‘blood money’ every year with the help of UK aid.

The men were also sentenced in a US court last year.
Two Terrorists Charged in Connection With the 2010 Murder of a U.S. National in Israel
 
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Foreign aid is a nett positive, it just needs to be targeted toward those lands where the money makes good things possible rather than trying to buy favour from those who hold the donor country in contempt.
So, financing improvements to infrastructure in agrarian societies like Fiji or Vanuatu for example rather than trying to curry favour with duplicitous pricks like the Pakistanis.
Looks as though the US administration agrees. Pakistan received more than $33 billion in U.S. assistance since 2002, and more than $14 billion in CSF, a U.S. Defense Department program to reimburse allies that have incurred costs in supporting counter-insurgency operations. But adverse comments from Khan have not helped matters.


Seems as though the US has understood Pakistan...and reacted.

US military confirms $300m cut in aid to Pakistan

US military makes 'final decision' and cuts $US300m in aid to Pakistan
 
Giving away money that we don’t have, but have to borrow at set interest rates, to other countries that do have enough money ( but spend it on things other than the basics first and other stuff after) is literally insane.

**** foreign aid when we can’t afford the basics ourselves.
 
Are you aware of what the consequences are for the rabble who take on the establishment, Dr David Kelly is a good example. These threads , I understand are read by the spooks, Whitehall and parliament, I am sure they fully understand the resentment and bile directed towards our leaders, bankers and other un-savoury inhabitants of the political rock of which most, if not all, live under.
You've rumbled them!

I look forward to reading of your suicide by shooting yourself repeatedly in the back of the head.
 
.... with change left over to go towards education so we can train our OWN DOCTORS, is that all to simplistic?
I don't know the situation in the UK but in Ireland Doctors and Nurses hop it to the US, Australia and the Middle East as soon as they are qualified. Lots of Nurses in Irish hospitals come from the Philippines while the Doctors come from........... Pakistan. :D
 
Foreign aid is a nett positive, it just needs to be targeted toward those lands where the money makes good things possible rather than trying to buy favour from those who hold the donor country in contempt.
So, financing improvements to infrastructure in agrarian societies like Fiji or Vanuatu for example rather than trying to curry favour with duplicitous pricks like the Pakistanis.
Yes it is. But of course nobody gives aid to foreign countries out of the goodness of their hearts. Aid to Pakistan is an attempt to stop it going the way of Afghanistan. And a quick Google of US aid to Pakistan reveals that it's not as simple as tossing crates full of dollars to Islamabad. A substantial percentage of aid money gets sidetracked into the pockets of US contractors.
 
I don't know the situation in the UK but in Ireland Doctors and Nurses hop it to the US, Australia and the Middle East as soon as they are qualified. Lots of Nurses in Irish hospitals come from the Philippines while the Doctors come from........... Pakistan. :D
Many years ago it was suggested that (British) doctors, trained here, should be required to work for the NHS for a number of years (3-4) before they were free to take their talents elsewhere.
 
Many years ago it was suggested that (British) doctors, trained here, should be required to work for the NHS for a number of years (3-4) before they were free to take their talents elsewhere.
That would certainly seem to be a reasonable ask given the amount of training given free.

Foreign aid and assistance to poorer countries per se is a good thing, and Britain has a very good record of providing aid to other countries. Unfortunately the channeling, administration and control of how and where it is spent can be poor, and too often resulting in waste, abuse, corruption and terrible mismanagement of money, that would then be spent better here.
Rees-Mogg: 'It's a vanity project for Cameron' - Brexiteer hits out at foreign aid target

Jeremy Corbyn would have it increased.
Out of touch? Jeremy Corbyn demands INCREASE to BLOATED foreign aid budget in letter to PM

He seems oblivious to obvious problems presently existing within the system of foreign aid, it certainly fits with the Labour philosophy of taxing and spending other peoples money, and ignores Labour’s sad and disastrous record of handling the taxpayers funds while in office.

But then that could well be influenced by the proportion of tax paid by Labour's supporters
 
Given the reported blank refusal of London based doctors at NHS Hospitals that have a major problem with people deliberately flyinging into the UK for free treatment they're not entitled to and refuse to pay for to either only action life saving treatment or charge said patients I suspect medical staff are refusing to action any process that exists to charge for missing appointments. If said staff had their budgets and then their wages docked for refusing to actio charges they'd soon learn.

As a side note I seriously think the Nigerian and any other African country we give any aid to should be presented with the full outstanding bills for all treatment and their aid docked accordingly

There is also evidence that NHS Hospitals fail to cross charge EU countries whose citizens are treated at our cost. That needs to be ended.
I think docking budgets would cause to much bad PR, if the Government used the 0.7% to boost NHS budgets to recoup money spent on foreign nationals not entitled to "free" NHS services. The catch being that the budget boost has to be 100 auditable and the NHS trusts have to prove the original money was spent on those not entitled to "free" NHS treatment.
You can bet your bottom dollar the Doctors will be VERY keen on getting the extra budget and will start asking about people entitlements. Just a thought.
 

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