Issue item VS commercial item

#1
Issue item VS commercial item

Greeting to All,
I am new here, I am not serving in any military but i am very interested in the army!

I got some questions hope you guys in the army, will don't mind to tell me so i can learn more!^^

I see there are may issued gear(for instance, the PLCE 120L bergen) got replicated under come commercial brand (e.g. Web-tex, UK Kombat, etc), also some fo the "non-issue" gear (e.g. the 135L bergen by Web-tex or those webbing pouches by Pro-force), the they claimed their product are build for the military.

So here it come the question:

1. I though the issued item were produced by the government contractor under no brand name, is it? Or it is actually supplied by one of those commercial manufacturer?
2. Do you guys allow to use these commercial items on the field?
3. If this is allow, does many people using these item supply by these commercial manufacturer?
4. How's the quality? Issue better or commercial better?
5. Do you guys have any allowance to purchase these item or it simply you pay your own additional commercial made gear?
6. Since you guys can have issue item for free, what make you go to purchase these commercial item?

Hope these are not too much to ask. ^^

Thank you all in advance for your advice and opinion! :D
 
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#4
I've seen English like that in the instructions for a cheap DVD player that I almost bought.
 
#5
Issue item VS commercial item

Greeting to All,
I am new here, I am not serving in any military but i am very interested in the army!

I got some questions hope you guys in the army, will don't mind to tell me so i can learn more!^^

I see there are may issued gear(for instance, the PLCE 120L bergen) got replicated under come commercial brand (e.g. Web-tex, UK Kombat, etc), also some fo the "non-issue" gear (e.g. the 135L bergen by Web-tex or those webbing pouches by Pro-force), the they claimed their product are build for the military.

So here it come the question:

1. I though the issued item were produced by the government contractor under no brand name, is it? Or it is actually supplied by one of those commercial manufacturer?
2. Do you guys allow to use these commercial items on the field?
3. If this is allow, does many people using these item supply by these commercial manufacturer?
4. How's the quality? Issue better or commercial better?
5. Do you guys have any allowance to purchase these item or it simply you pay your own additional commercial made gear?
6. Since you guys can have issue item for free, what make you go to purchase these commercial item?

Hope these are not too much to ask. ^^

Thank you all in advance for your advice and opinion! :D
OK Boys, be prepared for future spamming of equipment sales! This is what they call market research! No subterfuge; goes straight at it!
 
#6
OK Boys, be prepared for future spamming of equipment sales! This is what they call market research! No subterfuge; goes straight at it!
No... don't get me wrong, i am not going to sell you guys anything.

I'm just curious because i am trying to buy a PLCE 120L rucksack set with rocket pouch plus the yoke, and I am kind of hard to decided should i go for a used issue one or a brand new web-tex one. So i post here and see if i am getting any luck to have some tips here. That's all.
 
#9
I would go issue
 
#10
Isn't it usaually the other way around? Squaddies buy their own (commercial) kit because it's better than the issue stuuf in some cases, and eventually MOD get the message?
 
#11
Unless you are buying this for military use, don't bother. If you are buying this for DofE or anything like that, buy a proper civilian rucsac - it will do the job much better.
 
#12
No... don't get me wrong, i am not going to sell you guys anything.

I'm just curious because i am trying to buy a PLCE 120L rucksack set with rocket pouch plus the yoke, and I am kind of hard to decided should i go for a used issue one or a brand new web-tex one. So i post here and see if i am getting any luck to have some tips here. That's all.
Save your cash & stay clear of webtex, you'll thank me in the long run.

while your at it join your local Army cadet Unit or TAC, you'll learn more there, which one will depend who's got the biggest amount of walts.
 
#13
Tbh, Issue kit is better than commercial for one good reason. Its not out to make money: thus generally of higher spec and better construction, I indicate here to Web-Tex, and other atrocities. That not withstanding, there are some pretty shite examples of issue kit, so its more a balance of the stuff you get issued vs. commercial stuff. Not all commercial stuff need be military-style either. Simple stuff like a packet of wet wipes for when you get too minging you can't even stand your own stench/someone important is coming and it is in your interests not to smell like a rutting billy goat. The balance is individual to each soldier, and each has its own advantages and disadvantages, notably, every once in a while your issue kit gets replaced. Which is kinda hard to do with that feck-off ally arktis vest you bought and it getting a bit threadbare..
 
#14
Tbh, Issue kit is better than commercial for one good reason. Its not out to make money: thus generally of higher spec and better construction ...
Once the contract has been won, any good commercial organisation will try to reduce the cost per unit item so that they can maximise their profit. Some do this by reducing the quality of the materials and construction, hoping that not too many people will complain, and that they can make a fast buck. Commercially available items are subject to more individual scrutiny than bulk issue gear, so the manufacturers know they can't afford to cut so many corners in the commercial sector.
 
#15
If we are purely talking about the Bergen, then I would go with the issue one if you want something that will last for ever and a day, can be thrown into the back of vehicles, kicked out the same vehicle, hosed down once in a while and will not have stitching pulling out. If you do go for one, you have two size choices, long back and short back. If you are of the same stature as most Chinese, then go short back.

If your bergen is going to have an easy life, some of the non issue ones have better padding/fit.
 
#16
Webtex products are at the bottom end of the scale and shouldn't be trusted for heavy use, particularly if it's load bearing. Things like note book wallets, sewing kits, boot cleaning kits are seen as, "sort of ok".

Issue kit is generally reliable, strong and takes a lot of hard use. Plus as it's issue kit stuff can be readily exchanged by the QM (supposedly!) whe it gets damaged and unserviceable. For private use, buying surplus PLCE bergens and webbing offers very good value, you can used it for very hard use and should it get damaged then it won't be expensive to replace. Basically you'll get more than your monies worth from it.

There is some "top end gear" around such as Molle and berghaus but it costs extra, unless you shop around and find a bargain. Buy your own gear though and the QM won't exchange it for you. Plus it gets more tricky to research what's good and what's a waste of time. You have to ask around and do a bit of trial and error.

My simple advice here is for you to buy a PLCE bergen with the pouches and a yoke. Even then you have a choice between long back and short back bergens, and even the "engineers" bergen but they are all good.
 
#17
Like for like civi kit is around FOR ME 10% better now so its getting a lot better. However there are some pieces that the miltary issue kit shits all over civi, the PLCE bergen being one and PLCE webbing pouches.
 
#18
There's a very good reason that webtex stuff costs significantly less that genuine issue stuff (new) - it's because it's shit.

Don't buy webtex if you're planning on actually putting things in your bergen and carrying it.
 
#19
Once the contract has been won, any good commercial organisation will try to reduce the cost per unit item so that they can maximise their profit. Some do this by reducing the quality of the materials and construction, hoping that not too many people will complain, and that they can make a fast buck. Commercially available items are subject to more individual scrutiny than bulk issue gear, so the manufacturers know they can't afford to cut so many corners in the commercial sector.
True for some countries, but i'd say for NZ at least, the govt really specifies what's required, cloth weight, clip ratings etc, they go through rigourous tests with soldiers before issuing and any transgression from the specifications may be seen as breach of contract etc etc.... Mind you, the MoD has produced some real shockers of equipment in the past...
 
#20
wher do you think issue kit started life? and all suppliers are in it for the profit, nothing else.

remember, issue kit is commercial kit manufactured/supplied by a tender-winner

Murphys first law of combat - your equipment is produced by the lowest bidder
 

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