Israeli kids sign their missiles

#2
Saw this on another forum - absolutley sick.

I hope the UN throws the book at Israel... nay, the entire library.
 
#4
Monaro said:
Saw this on another forum - absolutley sick.

I hope the UN throws the book at Israel... nay, the entire library.
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I couldn't agree more Monaro, but I fear that any resolution condemning Israel wouldn't get through as the US and UK will always veto any resolution that in any way casts Israel in a bad light. The US are too shit scared of p*ssing off the massive Jewish electorate in the US, and thereby losing out on their massive donations come election time, and the UK is.....frankly scared to p*ss off the US. Don't have to like it fellas, but as I see it, it's the way it is.
 
#5
Bagster said:
and the UK is.....frankly scared to p*ss off the US.

Don't even get me started on that one... :evil:
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#6
[quote="Bagster. The US are too s*** scared of p*ssing off the massive Jewish electorate in the US, and thereby losing out on their massive donations come election time, and the UK is.....frankly scared to p*ss off the US. Don't have to like it fellas, but as I see it, it's the way it is.[/quote]

Not disagreeing with you about the veto, but its a myth about the "massive Jewish electorate." Off the top of my head its less than 1.5% of the population in the USA.
 
#7
of course those poor hezbollah and hamas freedom fighters would never dream of glorifying the deaths of innocent isrealis, they wouldnt have posters of "matyrs" all over the place

heaven forbid palistinian school children sing songs in school about blowing up isrealis

because if they did that would make them just as bad if not much worse for carrying out sick celebrations and that would mean by some peoples logic that they too deserve everything they get, including the death of their innocent civilians, and uk muslims must then accept that palastinian civilians are also legitimate targets for "martyrdom operations"
 
#8
Just when you think that nothing else in that sick, sorry mess can surprise you...
 
#9
Bouillabaisse said:
[quote="Bagster. The US are too s*** scared of p*ssing off the massive Jewish electorate in the US, and thereby losing out on their massive donations come election time, and the UK is.....frankly scared to p*ss off the US. Don't have to like it fellas, but as I see it, it's the way it is.
Not disagreeing with you about the veto, but its a myth about the "massive Jewish electorate." Off the top of my head its less than 1.5% of the population in the USA.[/quote]

Thought it was more than that, but I'm more than happy to stand corrected on the matter. However, if the Jewish vote in the USA is so small, how come successive US administrations are so reluctant to p*ss them off?
Not being argumentative, a genuine question.
 
#10
Bagster said:
.Thought it was more than that, but I'm more than happy to stand corrected on the matter. However, if the Jewish vote in the USA is so small, how come successive US administrations are so reluctant to p*ss them off?
Not being argumentative, a genuine question.
Who do you mean? The Jewish American vote or the Israelis?
 
#11
mark1234 said:
of course those poor hezbollah and hamas freedom fighters would never dream of glorifying the deaths of innocent isrealis, they wouldnt have posters of "matyrs" all over the place

heaven forbid palistinian school children sing songs in school about blowing up isrealis

because if they did that would make them just as bad if not much worse for carrying out sick celebrations and that would mean by some peoples logic that they too deserve everything they get, including the death of their innocent civilians, and uk muslims must then accept that palastinian civilians are also legitimate targets for "martyrdom operations"

Maybe so, but you're forgetting a very important factor:

Israel is supposed to be a civilised country with laws, freedoms and rights. Just because Hezbollah and Hamas brainwash children into extremism does not give Israel the excuse to violate International Law by killing so many civis and use children in this way.

If I saw British children signing bombs for RAF planes I'd go mental.

It's wrong - children shouldn't be used in this way. Terrorists steal childhood and use this as a weapon - we should not lower ourselves to this level.
 
#12
seriously doubt if this photo-op was set up by the isrealis

probably more likely that the girls were "encouraged" by the gang of photographers visible in the pictures

simaler to "green helmet man" staged propaganda (the man accompanied by a photographer who can be seen taking bodies out of an ambulance and posing as a greif striken rescue worker just recovering them")

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284546,00.html#n
 
#13
Bagster said:
Bouillabaisse said:
[quote="Bagster. The US are too s*** scared of p*ssing off the massive Jewish electorate in the US, and thereby losing out on their massive donations come election time, and the UK is.....frankly scared to p*ss off the US. Don't have to like it fellas, but as I see it, it's the way it is.
Not disagreeing with you about the veto, but its a myth about the "massive Jewish electorate." Off the top of my head its less than 1.5% of the population in the USA.
Thought it was more than that, but I'm more than happy to stand corrected on the matter. However, if the Jewish vote in the USA is so small, how come successive US administrations are so reluctant to p*ss them off?
Not being argumentative, a genuine question.[/quote]

Because of where they are concentrated- Florida (27 electoral votes- in Miami-Dade County there are over half a million, the only bigger ethnic group are the Cubans); New York (31- 1.75million in NYC) and California (55- 490,000 in Los Angeles alone). Throw into the mix the amount of funding they have, the degree to which they are organised and the fact that they they turn out to vote at a much higher rate than most other Americans and you have a considerable degree of clout. The more tinfoil hatted people will also point to an influence in film, tv and print media, but think that's rather overstated.

According to a poll conducted on Capitol Hill by Forbes, AIPAC (American-Israel Public Affairs Committee) is considered to be the second most powerful lobbying group in Washington, second only to the AARP (American Association of Retired People) and actually ahead of the NRA.

Edit- There's also the fact that a lot of the aid money given to Israel comes back to states and congressional districts via defence contractors. I can't imagine Marietta, Georgia or Fort Worth, Texas having big Jewish populations, but that's where Lockheed Martin builds C130s and F16s. Which way do you think the representatives from those districts are going to vote on aid bills to Israel?

Oh, and there are the links to the Evangelical right as well.
 
#14
Monaro said:
mark1234 said:
of course those poor hezbollah and hamas freedom fighters would never dream of glorifying the deaths of innocent isrealis, they wouldnt have posters of "matyrs" all over the place

heaven forbid palistinian school children sing songs in school about blowing up isrealis

because if they did that would make them just as bad if not much worse for carrying out sick celebrations and that would mean by some peoples logic that they too deserve everything they get, including the death of their innocent civilians, and uk muslims must then accept that palastinian civilians are also legitimate targets for "martyrdom operations"

Maybe so, but you're forgetting a very important factor:

Israel is supposed to be a civilised country with laws, freedoms and rights. Just because Hezbollah and Hamas brainwash children into extremism does not give Israel the excuse to violate International Law by killing so many civis and use children in this way.

If I saw British children signing bombs for RAF planes I'd go mental.

It's wrong - children shouldn't be used in this way. Terrorists steal childhood and use this as a weapon - we should not lower ourselves to this level.
agreed, i wouldnt want to see british children signing bombs, however if you were a child and you'd spent days in and out of air shelters and then journos encouraged you to sign arty shells for associated press photographs i doubt you would be able to fully appreciate right from wrong.

a lot of journos seems to be twisting the facts of the isreali/lebanese war that i now question everything

i am very very cynical when i see news reports these days. as many at best have selective reporting with crucial facts left out, and at worst are staged for propaganda means
 
#16
of course those poor hezbollah and hamas freedom fighters would never dream of glorifying the deaths of innocent isrealis, they wouldnt have posters of "matyrs" all over the place

heaven forbid palistinian school children sing songs in school about blowing up isrealis

because if they did that would make them just as bad if not much worse for carrying out sick celebrations and that would mean by some peoples logic that they too deserve everything they get, including the death of their innocent civilians, and uk muslims must then accept that palastinian civilians are also legitimate targets for "martyrdom operations"
They are inappropriate pictures being popularized for anti Israeli purposes.
Here Lebanese University students are encouraged to destroy Israel.
which is quite disgusting, note the smiling friend

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=antisemitism&ID=SP104905
 
#17
http://ontheface.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2006/7/20/2142505.html

"I phoned Sebastian Scheiner, the Israeli photojournalist who took the photo for Associated Press (AP), explained that the image had given a really terrible impression and asked for the context. He sketched it out quickly and fluidly, but asked me not to quote him. So I spoke with Shelly Paz, a Yedioth Ahronoth reporter who was also at the scene and agreed immediately to go on record. She was quite shocked to learn how badly the photo had been misinterpreted and misrepresented; and she told me the same story Sebastian did, but with more details and nuance.

On the day that photo was taken, the girls had emerged from the underground bomb shelters for the first time in five days. A new army unit had just arrived in the town and was preparing to shell the area across the border. The unit attracted the attention of twelve photojournalists - Israeli and foreign. The girls and their families gathered around to check out the big attraction in the small town - foreigners. They were relieved and probably a little giddy at being outside in the fresh air for the first time in days. They were probably happy to talk to people. And they enjoyed the attention of the photographers.

Apparently one or some of the parents wrote messages in Hebrew and English on the tank shells to Nasrallah. "To Nasrallah with love," they wrote to the man whose name was for them a devilish image on television - the man who mockingly told Israelis, via speeches that were broadcast on Al Manar and Israeli television, that Hezbollah was preparing to launch even more missiles at them. That he was happy they were suffering.

The photograpers gathered around. Twelve of them. Do you know how many that is? It's a lot. And they were all simultaneously leaning in with their long camera lenses, clicking the shutter over and over. The parents handed the markers to the kids and they drew little Israeli flags on the shells. Photographers look for striking images, and what is more striking than pretty, innocent little girls contrasted with the ugliness of war? The camera shutters clicked away, and I guess those kids must have felt like stars, especially since the diversion came after they'd been alternately bored and terrified as they waited out the shelling in their bomb shelters.

Shelly emphasized several times that none of the parents or children had expressed any hatred toward the Lebanese people. No-one expressed any satisfaction at knowing that Lebanese were dying - just as Israelis are dying. Their messages were directed at Nasrallah. None of those people was detached or wise enough to think: "Hang on, tank shell equals death of human beings." They were thinking, tank shell equals stopping the missiles that land on my house. Tank shells will stop that man with the turban from threatening to kill us.

And besides, none of those children had seen images of dead people - either Israeli or Lebanese. Israeli television doesn't broadcast them, nor do the newspapers print them. Even when there were suicide bombings in Israel several times a week for months, none of the Israeli media published gory photos of dead or wounded people. It's a red line in Israel. Do not show dead, bleeding, torn up bodies because the families of the dead will suffer and children will have nightmares. And because it is just in bad taste to use suffering for propaganda purposes.
 

mora

War Hero
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#20
Check out the first comment on the original link.....

disaffected youth said:
At Tue Jul 18, 12:59:42 AM EDT, disaffected youth said...
Liar.

In fact, I searched for those very images on AP. The Israeli children were signing shells, not missiles. As in, shells that were recovered that HIT Israel.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/...html?SITE=TXCLU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/...html?SITE=TXCLU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

That's right - the children were signing dead shells that HEZBOLLAH dropped into Israel.

Let me repeat myself.

Liar. Filthy, disgusting, hate mongering liar.
 

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