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Maalox

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Patton carried Colts, Montgomery never anything, even near the front lines. Why do Israeli Chiefs of Staff pack M4s with sights, even at rear bases? Is it that assassins/terrorists do not pick them out from the regular soldiers?

You would never see Mike Jackson carrying an SA80 in Bosnia!
 

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They carry M4s with sights because they read about the shit you talk about them and are just being prepared for you
 
The answer is in the question. Neither Patton nor Montgomery ever had to fight on the territory of their own homeland, where in a sense there is no rear. Furthermore, almost all IDF CoSs started off as infantry squaddies, wherein the ubiquity of one's rifle is instilled in one's military DNA.
 
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Patton carried Colts, Montgomery never anything, even near the front lines. Why do Israeli Chiefs of Staff pack M4s with sights, even at rear bases? Is it that assassins/terrorists do not pick them out from the regular soldiers?

You would never see Mike Jackson carrying an SA80 in Bosnia!
It's what every well dressed Israeli, of military age, wears.
Do keep up.
 
The answer is in the question. Neither Patton nor Montgomery ever had to fight on the territory of their own homeland, where in a sense there is no rear. All IDF CoSs started off as infantry squaddies, hence the ubiquity of one's "personal weapon" is in the DNA.
You may have confused him with too many facts there. :grin:
 

Maalox

War Hero
Before El Alamein, Montgomery gave the order:

"I have cancelled the plan for withdrawal. If we are attacked, then there will be no retreat. If we cannot stay here alive, then we will stay here dead".

If Rommel had broken through, with what weapon would Monty, if he was serious in his order, as commanding general have gone down fighting the Germans with in his hands in August 1942: a Webley, an Enfield, a Lee En, a Thompson with 50 round drum, a then-new Sten gun, grenades, or an 8th Army PIAT?

Or would he have allowed the enemy to finish him off in his tent without a fight like Colonel Pulleine at Isandlwahna?

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If Rommel had broken through, with what weapon would Monty, if he was serious in his order, as commanding general have gone down fighting the Germans with in his hands
Monty was a sly old fox, apparently, his plan was to throw some sand in Rommel's eyes, and then kick him in the nards!
 

Unremarkable

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Before El Alamein, Montgomery gave the order:

"I have cancelled the plan for withdrawal. If we are attacked, then there will be no retreat. If we cannot stay here alive, then we will stay here dead".

If Rommel had broken through, with what weapon would Monty, if he was serious in his order, as commanding general have gone down fighting the Germans with in his hands in August 1942,,?
A Self-Righting Lectern*?

That quote was more rhetoric than intention. As long as there is a place to which one can retreat, retreat is always a possibility. This is how Mongol armies won battles; by creating the illusion of a route along which to retreat, turning 'route' to 'rout', if you will.
As Loofkar says, for Israel there is no route for retreat, except, perhaps, the one no enemy can follow, as taken by the defenders of Masada.

*designed for the purpose by Barnes Wallace. One of his lesser known inventions, believed to have been for the convenience of Naval Chaplains.
 

OneTenner

Old-Salt
Or would he have allowed the enemy to finish him off in his tent without a fight like Colonel Pulleine at Isandlwahna?
There's no substantive proof of that, of the three versions of his death, two from survivors and another from the account circulating the surviving Officers of the 24th after the battle, it is reported that he he ordered Melvill to attempt escape with the Colours, went to his tent to write a report of the ongoing defeat for Chelmsford. He was confronted in his tent by a Zulu whom he shot in the neck, he was however fatally wounded with a spear. Other theories are that he was shot early on in the rout, and that Cracroft Nourse, a company commander with the NNC, describes how he saw 'half a company of the 24th, with their colonel in their midst as he made his escape. any or none of the above may have happened, - Many of the dead were unable to be identified as the corpses were mutilated by the Zulus and it was months later that the British could inter what remained of the corpses. I think without reasonable confidence in any outcome, you do the Colonel a disservice
 
The answer is in the question. Neither Patton nor Montgomery ever had to fight on the territory of their own homeland, where in a sense there is no rear. All IDF CoSs started off as infantry squaddies, wherein the ubiquity of one's rifle is instilled in one's military DNA.
Just out of interest how wide is the webbing sling that you lot use, is it 2", 2.5", or 3". I always wondered.
 

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