Israel Threatens Massive Gaza Ground Assault

#1
From Agence France-Presse:

Israel has ratcheted up threats of a massive ground offensive in the Gaza Strip, amid an ongoing war of words with the ruling Hamas movement that has vowed to teach the army a harsh lesson.

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"Apparently we will not have any other choice but to launch an expanded operation, like Defensive Shield, in order to destroy the stockpiles of weapons and to hit the terrorist organizations," said [Immigrant Absorbtion Minister Zeev] Boim, a close ally of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.


"Israel threatens massive Gaza ground assault" by Jean-Luc Renaudie. 17 October 2006
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2006101...HcqRrVp6bOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw
 
#2
Not happy with the blood of 240 Palestinians already then?

Looks like they're mad about getting a lesson taught to them by Hezbollah and want to take it out on someone else.
 
#3
Taz_786 said:
Not happy with the blood of 240 Palestinians already then?

Looks like they're mad about getting a lesson taught to them by Hezbollah and want to take it out on someone else.
Sounds about right!

MsG
 
#4
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Not happy with the blood of 240 Palestinians already then?

Looks like they're mad about getting a lesson taught to them by Hezbollah and want to take it out on someone else.

More than a little blinkered then?

Whatever the merits of unilateral disengagement, Sharon pulled out of Gaza entirely, he instructed the settlements and the setters uprooted and left Gaza to its own divices.

The PA imploded and the people elected Hamas. The Egyptian border became porous with missiles smuggled into Gaza along with tons of explosives and weapons right under the noses of the Egyptians.

For over a year, the peace loving, peace desiring Palistinians have fired over 1000 Kassam missiles at the civilian communities and Sderot in the Negev region of Israel.

For almost a year the Israeli Government under Ehud Olmert did nothing to defend these communities and prevented the IDF from responding, belatedly, he agreed to permit the IDF artillery units to shell empty fields, the ruins of former settlements and occasionally, very occasionally to fire on empty buildings in and around Gaza - having first served prior warning to the Pals that they're going to do so.

You can glibly write what you please but sitting right underneath these missiles is a close friend of mine on Kibbutz Nahal Oz, a retired and gentle man and his wife who used to (before Arafat's intifada) have Arab friends from Gaza to eat at his table with him.

The final staw was the incursion where several IDF personnel were killed and wounded and one abducted back through the fence to Gaza.

Would you have Israel wait until these terror cells have amassed the missiles and the training from Hizbollah and become part of a determined alliance to wipe Israel off the map as Tehran has publicly declared to be their intention?

No, Israel has shown restraint but if the forces of Islam are determined to make this a war of annihilation then I believe that Israel will pre-empt them as she has done before!
 
#5
Arandale said:
For over a year, the peace loving, peace desiring Palistinians have fired over 1000 Kassam missiles at the civilian communities and Sderot in the Negev region of Israel.
Just out of curiosity, in the past year, exactly how many Israelis have those 1000 missiles killed? (I seem to remember that by sheer good fortune, the figure is actually zero)

And how many Palestinians civilians (not the bad buggers who deserve it) have been killed by Israeli missile / artillery strikes? I suspect more than zero.

So, the terrorist side that's attempting to kill civilians is less successful at it than the democratic side which is trying to avoid it. Ironic, isn't it.
 
#6
Let them try.This time we are not holding back (collectively unzipping pants....) :evil:
 
#7
I remember being in Gaza about ten years ago and waking up to the sound of fifty cal in the distance. Looking out of my accommodation I could see Israeli Gunboats skipping tracer on the water sending it flying over Palestinian fishing boats.

If you want to go about brutalising an population, traumatising an entire generation of young people and children and driving them into the arms of radical Islam then Israel certainly has gone the right way about it.

Presumably they have to justify their shopping list to Congress somehow.
 
#8
Dixie said:
As far as the Palestinian Territories are concerned, it would be good to go back as much as possible to pre-Six Day War situation with Egypt ruling over the Gaza Strip & Jordan ruling over most of the West Bank outside of Jereusalem. Egypt & Jordan would once again keep the Palestinians under control without any fuss by the outside world. As Big Pharaoh so eloquently noted as long as Moslems are killed by Moslems, Nobody "gives a Rat's Ass!"
Better come back to earth Mr Dixie. Times have of changed.
 
#9
If this were happening in UK, would you be posting the same comments? Or would you be demanding the right for a nation to defend itself?
 
#10
wibblefishbanana said:
If this were happening in UK, would you be posting the same comments? Or would you be demanding the right for a nation to defend itself?
Against what? Hysteria on a massive scale?
 
#11
If you were surrounded by nations of a non friendly nature, would it not be considered normal for your population and government to be slightly paraniod?
 
#12
wibblefishbanana said:
If you were surrounded by nations of a non friendly nature, would it not be considered normal for your population and government to be slightly paraniod?
If you stopped for a moment to consider why you are surrounded by nations of unfriendly nature, you would take steps to reconsider why your past mistakes are coming back to haunt you.
 
#13
There is the argument that it was not their past mistakes, but the British for creating the state of Israel in the first place. This does not however, relieve them of the right of self defence.
 
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wibblefishbanana said:
There is the argument that it was not their past mistakes, but the British for creating the state of Israel in the first place. This does not however, relieve them of the right of self defence.

It also does not relieve them of the fact that they are guilty of some the same sins the Nazis wrought upon them sixty years ago.
 
#15
The Germans will never forgive the Jews for Auschwitz
Are you saying they had it coming?

Wouldn't be surprised.Being as smart as they are, the Jews knew the whole holocaust thing would work for them sooner or later.It is working for them now.

They can drop cluster bombs all over the damn place in the hospital yard and nobody will raise a finger.

Why?? Because they are Jews and they suffered during second world war.

Ha! :roll:
 
#16
This could be very interesting to watch - will Hamas have learnt enough from Hizb'Allah to present the same kind of resistance to the IDF ? For all the talk about weapons and so on the real reason Hizb did better was that their high morale and discipline. If Hamas can find some backbone to stand and fight the IDF could get another nasty surprise. Unsupported armour traditionally has a hard time in urban areas against a determined defender, and supporting it usually means significant casualties.
 
#17
It's a chicken and egg situ, isn't it? Depends at what point in Israels brief history you start your observations. Lets remember that the first thing that the friendly arab neighbours did was try to wipe the new nation off the map! We could just as easily say that it was yet another imperial cockup (expediancy) by 'you know who' . A simular scenario could be applied to Iraq if you go back far enough. :?
 
#18
If one was a tin foil hat wearer, you could say that any Israeli military assault in Gaza could be seen as a tactical move to support the forces of the American Golden Boy - Mohammed Dahlan! A nasty little thug, with obvious size issues but whose private army in Gaza are fighting Hamas fighters for control of Gaza. The man has a fervent belief that it is his right to rule the Palestinian territories even if the populace really doesn't want him.
 
#19
Devil_Dog said:
wibblefishbanana said:
If you were surrounded by nations of a non friendly nature, would it not be considered normal for your population and government to be slightly paraniod?
If you stopped for a moment to consider why you are surrounded by nations of unfriendly nature, you would take steps to reconsider why your past mistakes are coming back to haunt you.
What tragic preconceptions some people here have to the real issues surrounding the so-called Arab Israeli conflict.

The legitimate and historical Jewish national homeland consists of geographical territories from the Lebanese border to Suez and from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River.

This is no myth, it’s a historical fact and one recognized by a succession of British Governments up to 1947. Balfour recognized this inalienable fact with his famous declaration that was ratified by the League of Nations at San Remo.

Once more this ‘hard fact’ was recognized in the London Treaty of 1947 when the mandated power (The British) forged an agreement with Abdullah to create a new Arab State, Transjordan, precisely to accommodate for all those stateless (and they were all stateless until the defeat of the Ottoman rule of Turkey and the creation of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait Jordan, etc) Arabs that today conveniently refer to themselves as Palestinian but to be ruled over by the Hashimite Dynasty.

The London Treaty of 1947 was very specific in it’s detail. Its boundaries were determined to exist from the borders with Syria to the North, Iraq to the East and the Eastern bank of the Jordan River to the West. It very specifically precluded Jews from migrating to the new state, owning property precisely because the territories from the Western bank of the Jordan River to the sea and from the Lebanese border to Suez was recognized as forming the borders of the recreation of the Jewish national homeland and forming the pre-existing historical boundaries of the fledgling State of Israel.

When talking of belligerence and hostility, who was it that recognized and accepted the will of the international community and declared itself a state in 1948 within those precise boundaries?

Who was it that despite the 1947 London Treaty did not recognize to authority and will of the international community and allied themselves together to wage a war of intended annihilation in 1948 the moment the State of Israel was declared?

Israel’s desire remains the same today as it was with its recreation, to be recognized internationally as the State of Israel, and as the Jewish national homeland in line with the declared intentions of the international community and the right to dwell in peace and security within those internationally recognized borders.

All Israel’s wars have been those driven by actions of self-defence an inalienable right of any nation, country or state.

Israel is more than aware why they are surrounded by nations of an unfriendly nature and they have taken steps to reconsider why this situation exists.

Israel is surrounded by unfriendly nations because Islam considers the rebirth of an historical nation residing in their historical homeland as a reversal of the advance of the Islamic caliphate and contrary to the instructions of their book.

Because those Arab neighbours with landmasses that are vast are not content to let the Jews reside within their homeland which is miniscule by comparison and are determined to annihilate Israel.

Despite gross errors of understanding by some, Israel has never sought to expand its borders but she has fought to liberate and to defend its national and historical boundaries.

Israel has never carried out an unprovoked attack against any of her neighbours but she has been attacked repeatedly by those neighbours without provocation.

Israel knows why the situation exists, it exists because its neighbours, driven by their allegiances to a theocratic faith system are embarked on a perpetual crusade to destroy the State of Israel.

Israel has never sought to build itself an empire, and has no desire to colonise its neighbours.

Are you aware for example that today’s Palestinians are all Jordanian citizens and entitled to Jordanian citizenship and passports. Are you aware that Jordan illegitimately cancelled the Jordanian passports of these people to prevent them exercising their legitimate rights of entry and residence?

What about the reality that King Hussein of Jordan permitted Arafat to create a state within a state until in 1971 Arafat fermented an uprising against him?

Hussein responded with overpowering military action, rounded up the Palestinians and evicted them from Jordan. Hussein exported terror abroad and they planted themselves in Beirut, Lebanon and set about subverting that nation and turned its Southern border into a launch pad for terror attacks against Israel to the South.

When some contributors here respond to comments about French intentions to re-colonise Lebanon with glib comments like ‘and Israel hasn’t?’ open the way for an examination of those nations that have colonised and occupied in history – maybe we ought to look closer to home before we start hurling such comments about?

Someone said in response to the barrage of some one thousand eight hundred Kassam missiles fired at Israeli communities in the Negev ‘how many people have been killed by those missiles?’

Surely the question is irrelevant. If we here in our Island country had been subjected to even ten of these missiles suffered a wave of suicide bombers killing our civilians on busses cafes and restaurants, what would we do about it and how long would we wait?

Setting aside the political expediency, what constitutes a terrorist?

What is the difference between a PIRA member in civilians clothes sporting an RPG in Belfast, from a Taleban fighter in Helmend with an RPG or an Iraqi insurgent in Baghdad with an RPG from a Palestinian in Gaza with an RPG?

All of the above are operating against the authority of the elected governments to oppose or other throw the rule of law. The results of their actions are the same, dead and mutilated military personnel, death and mutilation to the civilian population and massive damage to the infrastructure.

The duplicity of the Western powers toward Israel is not driven by ignorance, we are more than aware of the legitimacy of Israel’s position, we are well aware that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and the only one willing to work democratically with the West.

It’s not about ignorance, it’s about expedience, the West has to protect its self-interests in the region that is access the uninterrupted supplies of Middle East heavy crude at affordable prices and for that the eventual disappearance of the State of Israel is a small price to pay.
 
#20
Arandale said:
The legitimate and historical Jewish national homeland consists of geographical territories from the Lebanese border to Suez and from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River.
I have heard another version: from Nile to Euphrates.

There are million that lived on this lands for centuries. And what is your option? To drive them out? To kill them?

Arandale said:
Israel’s desire remains the same today as it was with its recreation, to be recognized internationally as the State of Israel, and as the Jewish national homeland in line with the declared intentions of the international community and the right to dwell in peace and security within those internationally recognized borders.
The only possible internationally recognised borders would be 1967-borders.

Arandale said:
Israel has never sought to build itself an empire, and has no desire to colonise its neighbours.
Previously I thought that numerous settlments were designed for colonisation purposes.

Arandale said:
Setting aside the political expediency, what constitutes a terrorist?

What is the difference between a PIRA member in civilians clothes sporting an RPG in Belfast, from a Taleban fighter in Helmend with an RPG or an Iraqi insurgent in Baghdad with an RPG from a Palestinian in Gaza with an RPG?
Those who openly carry weapons is not terrorists by definition. You can call them militants, insurgents and so on, but not terrorists. What is the difference between armed Palestinians and Irgun&Stern?

Arandale said:
All of the above are operating against the authority of the elected governments to oppose or other throw the rule of law.
So Palestinians are operating against the authority of the elected government. What government exactly?
 

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