Israel & Palestine

Do you think that HM government should recognise Jerusalem as undivided capital of Israel.

  • Yes and it should be done immediatelly

    Votes: 9 29.0%
  • Rather agree

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • I doubt that it is right

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • It would be a big mistake

    Votes: 5 16.1%
  • It is not my business/don't care

    Votes: 11 35.5%

  • Total voters
    31
#1
Trump tells Netanyahu: If elected, U.S. would recognize undivided Jerusalem as Israel's capital - Israel News
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump for an hour and 20 minutes on Sunday at Trump Tower in Manhattan.

Trump told Netanyahu that if elected, "a Trump administration would finally accept the long-standing Congressional mandate to recognize Jerusalem as the undivided capital of the State of Israel."
It is a very serious move by mr.Trump. Now support from Jewish community and powerful pro-Israeli circles in the USA could be decisive.
As for the recognition itself then it would only complicate the situation in the ME.
 
#2
The U.S. foreign-aid budget, visualized
when the United States inked a memorandum of understanding with Israel this month, promising $38 billion in military aid over a 10-year period, it set off alarm bells for many.
But why? It is in the interests of the USA... or not?
What countries do receive US military aid?

It appears that Syria receives about $90mln. Does it mean Assad goverment? I doubt.
 
#3
Phew...
From the title of the thread, I thought something was kicking off between these two peace-loving neighbours. Glad it ain't so.
 
#5
US 'strongly condemns' Israel over new settlement plan - BBC News
The US has "strongly condemned" Israel for approving plans for new West Bank settlement construction.

The White House and state department said plans for 300 new homes and an industrial zone were diminishing prospects for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
About 570,000 Israelis live in more than 100 settlements built since Israel's 1967 occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The settlements are considered illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.
In fact Israeli/Palestinian conflict is forgotten by the international community.
Cost of US 'condempation' is less than half penny and everybody understands it.
State department spokesman Mark Toner said the new settlement would be "another step towards cementing a reality of perpetual occupation" that would "further call into question Israel's commitment to achieving a negotiated peace".

It was "deeply troubling", Mr Toner said, because Israel had announced it so soon after the US agreed last month to a 10-year $38bn (£30bn) military aid package for the country.
It should be said that Israeli policy to create realities on the ground appears to be effective.
It would be wise for the Israelis to remain neutral in the geopolitical contest between Washington and Moscow is Syria and elsewhere.
 
#6
US 'strongly condemns' Israel over new settlement plan - BBC News


In fact Israeli/Palestinian conflict is forgotten by the international community.
Cost of US 'condempation' is less than half penny and everybody understands it.

It should be said that Israeli policy to create realities on the ground appears to be effective.
It would be wise for the Israelis to remain neutral in the geopolitical contest between Washington and Moscow is Syria and elsewhere.
Do you not think they have a vested interest in regional stability?

I know it's very difficult for you to understand that people who live in an particular area may have their own ideas about how their future should look.
 
#7
'It would be wise for the Israelis'....? Israel is quiet pragmatic about whats going on around it. examples being the hotline to the russian military to prevent any accidental clashes. And the(seldom reported in the west) Medical care given to syrian casualties on their borders. The little homosexual thug in the kremlin would be 'wise' not to be under the illusion he can bully the country.
 
#8
Do you not think they have a vested interest in regional stability?

I know it's very difficult for you to understand that people who live in an particular area may have their own ideas about how their future should look.
I asure you sir that it is not that difficult as you suggest.
I say you more - I understand the reasons pretty well.
 
#9
'It would be wise for the Israelis'....? Israel is quiet pragmatic about whats going on around it. examples being the hotline to the russian military to prevent any accidental clashes. And the(seldom reported in the west) Medical care given to syrian casualties on their borders. The little homosexual thug in the kremlin would be 'wise' not to be under the illusion he can bully the country.
Mr.Putin is very pragmatic. Israel is small but very influental state. So, it would be better to have it among friends than enemies.



Putin is a friend of the Jews. He decorates supreme Rabbi by order.
 
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#10
Boat of pro-Palestinian activists blocked by Israeli forces from entering Gaza
A sail boat manned by 13 pro-Palestinian female activists has been intercepted near the coast of Gaza as it attempted to break through a blockade imposed by Israel in 2007.

The so-called ‘
’ had sailed from Barcelona in Spain on September 14. It passed through Italy en route to the Palestinian territory in an attempt to cross through the nine-year-old barrier and raise awareness of it.
From formal point of view Israel violated the international law because the ship was detained in the international waters.
A spokesman for the Israeli Defence Force said the boat had been redirected to the Israeli port of Ashdod to avoid breaching maritime law, after all diplomatic channels had been exhausted.

Gazan activist Adham Abu Silmeyyeh appeared to disagree.
“It’s a pure act of piracy the Israeli navy has carried out against a ship sailing under a Netherlands flag, on a humanitarian mission in international waters.
For Israel security is a paramount. So sometimes Israel violates formally international law bocause ot its national interests.
So I don't expect loud protests from Washington, London or Moscow.
The activists, which include international parliamentarians, a Nobel Prize laureate, an Olympic athlete and a retired US Army colonel, are expected to be deported back to their home countries.
It's interesting, will this incident be covered by mainstream Western mass media? (Euronews TV reported about it).
 
#11
70% of the posts are by the OP

Isn't that trying a bit to hard?
 
#14
Something outstanding has happened in the UNSC. An anti-Israeli resolution was passed and Washington hasn't used is right to veto - the last farwel from Obama
Israel settlements: Netanyahu rejects 'shameful' UN vote - BBC News
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says a UN call to end settlement activity on occupied land is "shameful".

He stressed that Israel would not abide by Friday's vote at the 15-member UN Security Council.
But anyway it is a serious blow. From this point any new Israeli settlements on occupied lands are illegal by deffault.
The resolution was passed after the US refused to veto it, breaking with long-standing American practice.

Washington has traditionally sheltered Israel from condemnatory resolutions.

The Egyptian-drafted resolution had been withdrawn after Israel asked US President-elect Donald Trump to intervene, but it was proposed again by Malaysia, New Zealand, Senegal and Venezuela.
The resolution, approved by 14 votes to zero, with only the US abstaining, demands that Israel immediately "cease all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem".

It says Jewish settlements are a "flagrant violation under international law and a major obstacle to the achievement of the two-State solution and a just, lasting and comprehensive peace".
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So why mrs.Clinton did lose the elections? She would most likely continue Obama's policy in the ME. It was too obvious to pro-Israeli lobby in the USA that supported another side.
 
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#15
Is this real news, or more Russian information operations?
 
#16
Is this real news, or more Russian information operations?
In Israel, it is news #1. Leading Israeli newspapers continue to analyse the UNSC resolution
UN vote: World beginning to rescue Israel from itself
Friday’s UN Security Council resolution condemning Israel’s settlement policies may not result in immediate changes on the ground, but it does signal that the international community has not changed its expectations that any future peace agreement will involve an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank.
Santa Obama delivered a wonderful Christmas present to Israel when the United States opted not to veto Friday’s United Nation Security Council vote condemning settlement policy.
Analysis: Netanyahu's gamble
Just two months ago at the UN General Assembly – the same United Nations that sent Israel a nasty rebuke on Friday – Netanyahu predicted that in a matter of a few years, the anti-Israel bias in that most anti-Israel biased organization will change.
But it hasn't happened.
One could ask EU officials - if you continue policy of sanctions toward Russia then why not to impose similar sanctions toward Israel?
Ironically Ukraine voted for anti-Israel resolution in the UNSC. As a result the visit of Ukrainian PM (ethnically Jewish) mr.Groisman was cancelled.
 
#17
Israeli authorities knock down part of Bedouin school in West Bank
Israeli authorities on Sunday tore down two EU-funded classrooms that were part of a school for Bedouins in the occupied West Bank because they said they were built illegally.
It was the fifth time the school has been demolished since 2016,
Shadi Othman, head of media in the E.U. office in Jerusalem, said: “The European Union demanded from Israel more than once not to demolish projects the European Union funds and which aim to improve the living conditions of the Palestinians.”
Maybe the EU would impose sanctions against Israel? I strongly doubt.
 
#18
Netanyahu corruption charges 'recommended'
Israeli police are to recommend that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu be charged over alleged bribery cases, the country's media report.

Police questioned Mr Netanyahu as part of an inquiry into corruption allegations last month.
One case centres on an allegation that Mr Netanyahu asked the publisher of a Israeli newspaper for positive coverage in exchange for help in reining in a rival publication.

The second centres on a claim that Mr Netanyahu, Israeli prime minister since 2009, received more than $100,000 (£72,000) in gifts from Hollywood mogul Arnon Milchan and other supporters.
I suppose that real cause is a soft reaction of Israeli PM to downing of IAF F16. Hawks in Israeli government probably try to force mr.Netanyahu to resign.
 
#19
#20
Any surprise that the last thing Jordan wants is to be shackled to a corpse like the Palestinian Authority, increasing the number of Palestinians within Jordanian borders and further destabilizing a fragile country! Another insightful piece of clear-thinking US diplomacy.

'Jordan rejected Sunday a U.S. proposal that allegedly calls for the creation of a confederation between Palestine and Jordan, saying it was impossible to join the kingdom with Palestine’s West Bank.

'Jordanian government spokeswoman Jumana Ghuneimat told local media that joining Jordan with the Israeli-occupied West Bank was not a matter that is open for discussion, and it was “not possible”. She added that Jordan’s stance, which she said supports a two-state solution regarding Palestine-Israel issue, was fixed and clear.

'Also, the political wing of the Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamic Action Front (IAC) spokesman Murad al-Adailah told Anadolu Agency that formation of the confederation would cause Palestinians to lose their right to “retake their occupied lands”. “The idea of confederation means Palestinian people to lose their right to liberate its occupied lands. This right can only be achieved by liberation of all Palestinian lands,” Adaliah said.'

Jordan rejects US-proposed confederation with Palestine
 

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