Isolation is splendid for the British householder

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  1. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1744291.ece


    Just as i've always said, only minorities and Muslims are always being criticised for 'separating' themselves from society when it looks like pretty much everybody in modern Britain lives separate lives these days.
     
  2. Margaret Thatcher is largely to blame for this, by saying - and acting on - her gravely mistaken belief that "There is no such thing as Society".

    Man is a tribal, sociable animal, and there is ONLY Society.

    Lose a grip on that, and the barbarians take over.
     
  3. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    Erm, perhaps not quite that simple.

    Try the Great War where whole communities were devastated, followed by WWII and then fllowed by an ever-more mobile population with cars and money, and 2 million immigrants and you begin to see the reason why neighbours do not even know one another, let alone wish to speak to them.

    It was not a case of Thatcher saying Don't talk to your neighbours' and it was done.
     
  4. I fail to see how Margaret Thatcher could have had so profound an effect within such a short time, besides which the full quote shows that she fully acknowledged the 'clannish' nature of man.

     
  5. I can see it all too easily.

    While I was growing up, my parents lived in the same house for over 20 years and while they got on well with two families who lived in the house on one side, the family on the other side were a bunch of busy body, egotistical cnuts who looked down their noses at everyone else. In the end it was them that drove my parents into moving. :x


    As to the wider issue, I think part of it is to do with how society has changed over the last 20-30 years, too. I socialise almost as much online and over the mobile as I do in person with friends, family and work colleagues.

    Then there's cars. It used to be you passed people you knew in the street... that just doesn't happen anymore. People travel by car to the shops, out and about, to work... pretty much anytime you've got more than a couple of hundred yards to walk these days. That cuts off social contact to a large degree.

    (edited for mong typing)
     
  6. It may not have been her influence entirely; but that infamous remark was certainly symptomatic of a selfishness that has become pervasive in the past 25 years or so, IMHO.

    When I compare the rich community life that was to be found in the 1960s-early 70s in the cities/suburbs I know well - Edinburgh, Dublin, Belfast, Liverpool - with the personal isolation and alienation that has increasingly become typical of them all over the past 25-ish years, I'm horrified.

    Certain ethnic groupings bring their distinctive contributions to the total picture; but for the average working/lower-middle-class Caucasian Brit in his/her 30s-60s life has probably never been lonelier.

    Thatcher did nothing to check the slide towards that current situation.
     
  7. msr

    msr LE

    "I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

    Do try putting quotes into context.

    msr
     
  8. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    EXACTLY! And when put in context, and the quotes are in the right place, then she was absolutely spot-on.
     
  9. Contextualising that specific remark - "And, you know, there is no such thing as society" - actually merely highlights Thatcher's flawed, simplistic logic.

    There is a world of middle ground between her picture of government-dependent, grant-dependent, handout culture on the one hand and the spiteful, selfish, uncaring, devil-take-the-hindmost attitudes that her administrations fostered so alarmingly.

    No-one in British public life in my lifetime has been so directly, personally responsible for the emergence of such anti-social attitudes, in all social classes and income brackets. The Major and Blair years have seen the unrolling of a pernicious trend which began under Thatcher.

    "People must look to themselves first." ???

    No - "I have to live for others and not for myself: that's middle-class morality." - George Bernard Shaw. Shaw's priorities lead naturally to the kind of socially-engaged One-Nation Conservatism that Thatcher never understood.
     
  10. F*ck society. I've just been out picking up the next door neighbours cat sh*t from my back garden. I've lobbed it over the fence and into his garden and some of it has splattered his green house. I'm going to buy an air rifle tomorrow and if his cat sh*ts there again, it'll be for the last time. I'm f*cking sick of it. It honks as well. I've spoken to him next door on numerous occasions about the matter, I've even shoved some of the cat sh*t through his letter box (he phoned the police that night but I denied it).

    I have no qualms about shooting the animal dead, but as I've never shot cat before, can anyone advise where I should hit it so that it dies first time. I don't want screams and bleeding cats running all over the gaff as he'll know that it was me who did it.
     
  11. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    I use Winchester Xpediter on cats.

    Within 50 yds it turns them inside out.
     
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  13. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    Fcuk, is lying to a G-man illegal ?
     
  14. So, you wouldn't recommend slotting the c*nt then? What about warfarin? Does it have the same effect on cats that it does on rodents and how do you get hold of some? I was thinking about shooting the f*cker, but maybe poisioning might be the way ahead. It's quieter I suppose and the little bugger will no doubt die under a bed at home.
     
  15. DieHard

    DieHard LE Book Reviewer

    If i catch the snivelling,snidey,fat,ugly,arrogant **** who lives 2 doors away trying on with my missus there really well be a death. Getting to know your neighbours is fine ,but not shagging your way around the neighbourhood