Island grabbing madness

#1
We've had the Arab spring.

Are we now seeing a summer of Island grabbing madness playing out?

First the Chinese: BBC News - China approves military garrison for disputed islands

Then the South Koreans: BBC News - South Korea's Lee Myung-bak visits disputed islands and BBC News - South Koreans swim to disputed islands amid Japan row

And now the Japs are at it: BBC News - Japan boats reach disputed islands amid China row


Can it really be a coincidence that this nonsense has only flared up after the striking of Ark Royal and Harrier from the orbat? :wink:
 
#2
As long as the fecking corned beef slinging dagos down south don't get any ideas....
 
#3
Somewhere out there the makers of Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising are pulling the end off their cocks.
 
#4
ha, amateurs, our islands are bigger with runways!!!!
 
#5
I think this article hits at the heart of it.

"Today South Korean President Lee Myung-bak visited Takeshima. It is contrary to our nation's stance that Takeshima is historically - and under international law - an integral part of our national territory, and is completely unacceptable," he (Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda) said.
Except that they're not part of Japan under international law. Like the Diaoyu/Diaoyutai/Senkakus, there's never been an international settlement on ownership in favour of any disputing nation, only varying selective interpretations of history and maritime law coupled with a strong element of 'possession being 9/10ths of the law'. ROK occupies the Dokdo/Takeshima islands and has refused to take the question of ownership to international arbitration because they claim those are inalienable parts of Korea.

Most of the Japanese claims to these disputed islands originate in their post-Meiji Imperial expansions, so it's not hard to see why Korea get the shits up when they start pressing their claims home.

What was interesting was the Chinese delegation's choice of flags:



Apparently, they'd even approached the ROC Coastguard for an escort since ROC CG routinely escorts protesters from Taiwan around these islands while PLAN steadfastly refuses to get itself involved - doubtless for wider geopolitical reasons.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#6
Well so long as the Japanese Self Defence Force doesn't decide "they're ours and we're going to agressively defend them, to the extent that we're going to agressively defend Korea and China".

Other than that, who needs to give one?
 
#7
Because the last time the Japanese 'aggressively defended' their historic territorial claims, they only stopped at Kohima?
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#8
Because the last time the Japanese 'aggressively defended' their historic territorial claims, they only stopped at Kohima?
Fair one.

These days they can only defend what they hold and India/Korea (N&S)/China/Taiwan aren't about to let them hold onto much more than they already inhabit.
 
#9
Fair one.

These days they can only defend what they hold and India/Korea (N&S)/China/Taiwan aren't about to let them hold onto much more than they already inhabit.
That's the crux of the whole 'disputed islands' issue. It isn't just about fishing rights or oil exploration - most of the participants are grown up enough to have entered into joint agreements - but about avoiding a precedent that Japan can 'believe' and be rewarded for that belief.
 
#11
The greatest stroke of luck the Western world has ever had is that the Chinese and Japanese hate each other's guts. Because God help us all if they ever found a reason to get on the same team.
I would have thought that the fact they hate each other's guts is far more worrying.

And what terrible thing would happen if they got on the same team? More railways?
 
#12
I would have thought that the fact they hate each other's guts is far more worrying.

And what terrible thing would happen if they got on the same team? More railways?
They'd block every lane on the motorway.
 
#13
We've had the Arab spring.

Are we now seeing a summer of Island grabbing madness playing out?



Can it really be a coincidence that this nonsense has only flared up after the striking of Ark Royal and Harrier from the orbat? :wink:
What a penetrating (oops) strategic military mind! Genius! Yes if the Isle of Wight is next the world would have trembled at ye olde Ark Royal coming to sort them out. Oh yes. Those pesky Japs and Chinese would not have dared. After all they remember how the Hood and The Repulse sorted them out long ago. Oh yes.

You are terrific to have pointed that out. Oh yes.
 
#15
And of course none of this posturing has anything to do with the large gas field found to the west of the islands...
Given that the Japs and Chinese, Japs and Koreans, Koreans and Chinese already have deals for joint exploration of disputed fields, I reckon it's not quite so simple. National pride, international rivalry, historic grievances and keeping the Sons of Nippon in their box have an enormous part to play.

If it's been sent from my HTC Sensation using Tapatalk then I'm probably pissed.
 
#16
Both the Chinese and Japanese governments are probably far too pragmatic to let this escalate beyond the level of Jiba/Musuko waving.
 
#17
This is all being taken quite seriously out there. I first thought that the organisations doing the occupying around and about might be government sponsored until I saw some beardy twat from Hong Kong, who is always on the TV demonstrating about almost anything, being escorted on a boat. Whilst the relevant governments are acting in a reasonably civilised manner the mutts are dragging it all into the public eye and forcing the issue.

If you look at the various claims you can see that China wants everything outside the 12 mile limits of every country around the South China Seas. Bit difficult as, as far as I am aware, most, if not all of it is uninhabited so geographical proximity must hold a higher value than saying that 'it has historically always been considered an integral part of China'. But they say that about Taiwan, too.

What may become an issue is the good old USA having exercises with the Philippines Navy around some of the disputed area. Probably a good job that the Brits don't have enough ships or we would get involved in another clusterfuck.
 
#18
These things are always 'taken seriously' in this part of the world, at least by the extremist fringe parties of no one else. Every time a Japanese Prime Minister visits Yasukuni the Chinese are up in arms about it. When the Japanese patrol ship clashed with the Chinese fishing boat there were demonstrations in Tokyo. Nationalism, especially in Japan, is far more prevalent in Asia than we would see in Europe. Most people - and I say this as someone living in HK and working with locals and also married to a Japanese - view the whole farce with as much disdain as the rest of the world does.
 
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