Island grabbing madness

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by whitecity, Aug 18, 2012.

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  1. We've had the Arab spring.

    Are we now seeing a summer of Island grabbing madness playing out?

    First the Chinese: BBC News - China approves military garrison for disputed islands

    Then the South Koreans: BBC News - South Korea's Lee Myung-bak visits disputed islands and BBC News - South Koreans swim to disputed islands amid Japan row

    And now the Japs are at it: BBC News - Japan boats reach disputed islands amid China row

    Can it really be a coincidence that this nonsense has only flared up after the striking of Ark Royal and Harrier from the orbat? :wink:
  2. As long as the fecking corned beef slinging dagos down south don't get any ideas....
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  3. Somewhere out there the makers of Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising are pulling the end off their cocks.
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  4. ha, amateurs, our islands are bigger with runways!!!!
  5. I think this article hits at the heart of it.

    Except that they're not part of Japan under international law. Like the Diaoyu/Diaoyutai/Senkakus, there's never been an international settlement on ownership in favour of any disputing nation, only varying selective interpretations of history and maritime law coupled with a strong element of 'possession being 9/10ths of the law'. ROK occupies the Dokdo/Takeshima islands and has refused to take the question of ownership to international arbitration because they claim those are inalienable parts of Korea.

    Most of the Japanese claims to these disputed islands originate in their post-Meiji Imperial expansions, so it's not hard to see why Korea get the shits up when they start pressing their claims home.

    What was interesting was the Chinese delegation's choice of flags:


    Apparently, they'd even approached the ROC Coastguard for an escort since ROC CG routinely escorts protesters from Taiwan around these islands while PLAN steadfastly refuses to get itself involved - doubtless for wider geopolitical reasons.
  6. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

    Well so long as the Japanese Self Defence Force doesn't decide "they're ours and we're going to agressively defend them, to the extent that we're going to agressively defend Korea and China".

    Other than that, who needs to give one?
  7. Because the last time the Japanese 'aggressively defended' their historic territorial claims, they only stopped at Kohima?
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  8. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

    Fair one.

    These days they can only defend what they hold and India/Korea (N&S)/China/Taiwan aren't about to let them hold onto much more than they already inhabit.
  9. That's the crux of the whole 'disputed islands' issue. It isn't just about fishing rights or oil exploration - most of the participants are grown up enough to have entered into joint agreements - but about avoiding a precedent that Japan can 'believe' and be rewarded for that belief.
  10. The greatest stroke of luck the Western world has ever had is that the Chinese and Japanese hate each other's guts. Because God help us all if they ever found a reason to get on the same team.
  11. I would have thought that the fact they hate each other's guts is far more worrying.

    And what terrible thing would happen if they got on the same team? More railways?
  12. They'd block every lane on the motorway.
  13. What a penetrating (oops) strategic military mind! Genius! Yes if the Isle of Wight is next the world would have trembled at ye olde Ark Royal coming to sort them out. Oh yes. Those pesky Japs and Chinese would not have dared. After all they remember how the Hood and The Repulse sorted them out long ago. Oh yes.

    You are terrific to have pointed that out. Oh yes.
  14. And of course none of this posturing has anything to do with the large gas field found to the west of the islands...
  15. Given that the Japs and Chinese, Japs and Koreans, Koreans and Chinese already have deals for joint exploration of disputed fields, I reckon it's not quite so simple. National pride, international rivalry, historic grievances and keeping the Sons of Nippon in their box have an enormous part to play.

    If it's been sent from my HTC Sensation using Tapatalk then I'm probably pissed.