Is vetting as strict for a regular soldier as an officer?

Sean23

Swinger
I went to the Careers Office and had a good chat with them. Apparently I have a good chance of enlisting now and a am looking at other options as well as Infantry
 

MR_R_SOLE

Old-Salt
I did 22 years Commissioned service in the Infantry and my son is angling for a Commission next year, also in the Infantry.

Now, a Pte soldier with a degree in the Infantry would be very much an outlier in this day and age (less so during WW2 and National Service, so not unprecedented). If you're currently stuck on the officer entry may I suggest a soldier entry into one of the more specialist parts of the Army leaving you an option to commission into whatever takes your fancy at a later date?

Utter rubbish. I know of several dozen Guardsmen in my Battalion who have Degrees. Some even went to better University's / Also more highly qualified than thier Platoon Comanders.
 

Brotherton Lad

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Utter rubbish. I know of several dozen Guardsmen in my Battalion who have Degrees. Some even went to better University's / Also more highly qualified than thier Platoon Comanders.

Did they join with degrees or gain them in Service?
 

MR_R_SOLE

Old-Salt
Did they join with degrees or gain them in Service?
Joined with them. It caused much merriment when we all had to fill in our Education bumff on JPA. I found out that I was more Qualified in a specialist role than our attached Captain which made me smile.

He on the other hand refused to believe it untill he quizzed me infront of his Lads and got made to look a tit.
 

Brotherton Lad

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Joined with them. It caused much merriment when we all had to fill in our Education bumff on JPA. I found out that I was more Qualified in a specialist role than our attached Captain which made me smile.

He on the other hand refused to believe it untill he quizzed me infront of his Lads and got made to look a tit.

Congratulations. Still outliers.
 

MR_R_SOLE

Old-Salt
Nope. Education is more accessible now and some people still go to Uni to toss it off for a few years before deciding what to do.

Does the thought or having Educated ORs scare you?

You seem to be deliberately trying to put the OP off joining the Infantry as a OR with a degree. You've just been informed that thier are many ORs with degrees/ higher education. But you still continue to try to convince him he would be a novelty.

I'm guessing if one of your Soilders were more Qualified/ Educated than you that you would treat them with suspicion. All I can say is that
1, I'm glad you are retired
2, That you obviously served in some chip shop outfit where that sort of thing would be tolerated.

You know it's not just Soldiering and making things shiny us good looking and well hung Guards types do to the highest standards. We actually take Education quite seriously too.
 

Brotherton Lad

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Nope. Education is more accessible now and some people still go to Uni to toss it off for a few years before deciding what to do.

Does the thought or having Educated ORs scare you?

You seem to be deliberately trying to put the OP off joining the Infantry as a OR with a degree. You've just been informed that thier are many ORs with degrees/ higher education. But you still continue to try to convince him he would be a novelty.

I'm guessing if one of your Soilders were more Qualified/ Educated than you that you would treat them with suspicion. All I can say is that
1, I'm glad you are retired
2, That you obviously served in some chip shop outfit where that sort of thing would be tolerated.

You know it's not just Soldiering and making things shiny us good looking and well hung Guards types do to the highest standards. We actually take Education quite seriously too.

I'm married to an Army educator. Silly billy.
 

MR_R_SOLE

Old-Salt
I'm married to an Army educator. Silly billy.
Great. Still doesn't answer my question are you scared of having Educated other ranks?.

I fall to see how your Partners job reflects upon you.
My wife is a Accountant but that dosent mean I could audit a company's finance.
 

Brotherton Lad

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Great. Still doesn't answer my question are you scared of having Educated other ranks?.

I fall to see how your Partners job reflects upon you.
My wife is a Accountant but that dosent mean I could audit a company's finance.
I do support them, naturally. The more the merrier.

Why on earth could you possibly have imagined otherwise?
 

MR_R_SOLE

Old-Salt
I do support them, naturally. The more the merrier.

Why on earth could you possibly have imagined otherwise?
Your reply of still an outliner.
My previous post explained that this was not the case.
This is not just something in my Battalion/ Division either.
I belive PARA reg have the highest number of ORs with Degrees/ Higher education. I seem to remember that thier was a recruite in Depo PARA with a PHD. Not sure as to if he passed out of training but he had the nickname Dr Joe.
 

Brotherton Lad

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Your reply of still an outliner.
My previous post explained that this was not the case.
This is not just something in my Battalion/ Division either.
I belive PARA reg have the highest number of ORs with Degrees/ Higher education. I seem to remember that thier was a recruite in Depo PARA with a PHD. Not sure as to if he passed out of training but he had the nickname Dr Joe.
Outlier, actually.

Are you alright?
 

MR_R_SOLE

Old-Salt
Sorry fat fingers and small screen
Yes I'm fine thank you for your concern.
So I'm guessing by your witty response that you can provide no evidence actuall or anecdotal to support your claim to the OP.

My I bet the men under your command were fond of you.
 

Brotherton Lad

LE
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Sorry fat fingers and small screen
Yes I'm fine thank you for your concern.
So I'm guessing by your witty response that you can provide no evidence actuall or anecdotal to support your claim to the OP.

My I bet the men under your command were fond of you.
They were and we're still in touch 40 years later. I especially encouraged them to gain qualifications.

I really don't see what point you are trying to make.
 

MR_R_SOLE

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They were and we're still in touch 40 years later. I especially encouraged them to gain qualifications.

I really don't see what point you are trying to make.
So your Experience regarding ORs with degrees is a little out of date then?
At no point during this have you provided evidence so back up your claims.

My point is that you are wrong in the statement that being a OR in the infantry with a degree is something of a oddity.
As I responded this is not the case and more and more people are joining the teeth arms with these qualifications.
I shall put your lack of formulated response down to the fact that you are quite clearly talking from experience some time ago.

But once again in today's Army being A Guardsman/ Rifelman/ Private with a degree is not unusall and would not make you some sort of oddity.
 

Brotherton Lad

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So your Experience regarding ORs with degrees is a little out of date then?
At no point during this have you provided evidence so back up your claims.

My point is that you are wrong in the statement that being a OR in the infantry with a degree is something of a oddity.
As I responded this is not the case and more and more people are joining the teeth arms with these qualifications.
I shall put your lack of formulated response down to the fact that you are quite clearly talking from experience some time ago.

But once again in today's Army being A Guardsman/ Rifelman/ Private with a degree is not unusall and would not make you some sort of oddity.
I did not use the term oddity and wouldn't dream of doing so.
 

MR_R_SOLE

Old-Salt
Your only response so far is that you have asked me if I am ok, Told us what your wife does/ did for a living and picked me up for using oddity instead of outlier.

You seem to be unable to grasp that things have changed since your day and that someone with more current information has corrected you.

I would suggest that you refrain from commenting about something you have very little current knowledge about.
I for instance would not comment on current Solar power generation even though I trained as a Electrical Engineer as my knowledge is a out of date and I could end up with egg on my face.
 
A Guardsman/ Rifelman/ Private with a degree is not unusall and would not make you some sort of oddity.
Doubtless it isn't nowadays, but even twenty years ago it would be at the top-end of the bell-curve of infantry recruits; slightly lower now, but really from the changing general standard of entry-level recruits to all walks of employment. I doubt, though, that STEM graduates feature highly in the numbers entering the infantry - specialist Corps, perhaps. In my later years of service (left in 94) I met any number of JNCOs who were graduates, including some seriously bright people with hard qualifications. One of my Corporals had two degrees; Law and English, and had CPL too, which was useful for getting to the Isle of Man for the weekend, while another was a fully-flowered psychologist. My own personal drop-out rate was 100%, and so had to do some book-learnin later on in life. You're right about Para Regt; possibly counter-intuitively, I met more graduates there and in the Marines than in any other infantry regiment. Only possibly. I have home defence.
 

Brotherton Lad

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Your only response so far is that you have asked me if I am ok, Told us what your wife does/ did for a living and picked me up for using oddity instead of outlier.

You seem to be unable to grasp that things have changed since your day and that someone with more current information has corrected you.

I would suggest that you refrain from commenting about something you have very little current knowledge about.
I for instance would not comment on current Solar power generation even though I trained as a Electrical Engineer as my knowledge is a out of date and I could end up with egg on my face.
I do have current knowledge. Just what proportion of infantry soldiers do you think have degrees on entry to the Army? This is your argument so I'm asking you to back your statements up with a fact or three.
 
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