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Is USA becoming "red pilled"?

Is America becoming more conservative?

  • Yes

    Votes: 50 76.9%
  • No

    Votes: 15 23.1%

  • Total voters
    65
You don't think you're wrong. I doubt any any argument I make would convince you that George could have - at any time prior to his being restrained on the ground - changed his course of action to one that did not result in his death.
George had plenty of interaction with LE.

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He knew what he was doing. I would imagine after pulling him up in NCIC his sweet and innocent image vanished in a puff of smoke. Being noncompliant for that long probably got a bit old. It does not excuse Chauvin, but I have a feeling he was trying to make Mr. Floyd feel a bit of discomfort for being a douche.
 
Define right winger.
BTW Hitler was XLW as was Stalin, Mao, Mugabe etc.
Well, neither side are really into deep discussions about levels of government intervention in free market economics, free-trade agreements or international environmental treaties.

At the extremes, they are ALL jackbooted authoritarian inadequates looking to replace The Man with Them Selves.

I think what you are clumsily trying to get me to do is identify Right Wing with White Racist. It is the other way around. White Racists proclaim themselves as Right Wing. They certainly don't identify themselves as Left Wing. Nor did Hitler, with his pathological hatred of Communism. He just used some of the same methods, but his "National Socialism" was socialist in name only.

The implication being of course that the diametric opposite, MUST of COURSE be that Left Wing MUST EQUATE to Black Racist, Social Justice Warrior, etc. And such like tedious tropes.

The "Right Wing" murderers in the US are almost exclusively white, (apart from a few Islamic fundamentalist not-at-all-liberals) and usually part of the overlapping circles of gun rights, militia, anti government, racist wingnuts.

And if you suggested to them that they were Left Wing, they would shoot you. Because they view themselves as True American God Fearing Patriots and not some Atheist Commie.

Those who are Right Wing openly proclaim it. The handful of really Left Wing Marxists Leninists in the US ( and that is probably about enough for a five a side football tournament) are insignificant in numbers and influence outside of student politics.

What is significant in the US is the gross Civil Rights unbalance between the WASP male and basically everyone else.
The "Left Wing" has become associated with all those seeking some redress or rebalance.
Those happy with the Status quo, (usually, oddly enough WASP males) are the Right.
I wouldn't call them Right Wing or even Conservative. I think Reactionary is the correct term.
 
George had plenty of interaction with LE.

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He knew what he was doing. I would imagine after pulling him up in NCIC his sweet and innocent image vanished in a puff of smoke. Being noncompliant for that long probably got a bit old. It does not excuse Chauvin, but I have a feeling he was trying to make Mr. Floyd feel a bit of discomfort for being a douche.
Mr George may have been a bad boy but what happened to "Presumed innocent until proven guilty"?

He was ACCUSED of using a fake 20 dollar bill.
Any proof that he knew it was fake?
Or even that it was a fake?
No.
And it won't come to trial and that he has no chance to prove his innocence, because a cop choked him to death in public. In front of other cops. On camera.

This point seems to have escaped you.
 
Mr George may have been a bad boy but what happened to "Presumed innocent until proven guilty"?

He was ACCUSED of using a fake 20 dollar bill.
Any proof that he knew it was fake?
Or even that it was a fake?
No.
And it won't come to trial and that he has no chance to prove his innocence, because a cop choked him to death in public. In front of other cops. On camera.

This point seems to have escaped you.
Which is why the officer is in jail and pending a trial. But what escapes you is that he will
have a defense. Mr. Floyd will be eviscerated in the court house.

His noncompliance led to the knee on the back of his neck. All the idiot had to do was get in the vehicle, and he would be alive.
 
Had he been more compliant he might well have survived, but that’s not really the issue, in my mind.

It's the entire issue.

The mindset that makes someone embarking on a criminal action believe that when caught they can evade, wheedle, whine, wriggle, bleat, bluster, argue or threaten their way out of the consequences of their behaviour is the issue.

In your mind, your desire to absolve George of his own culpability does little more than pander to those who would have us believe that this sort of behaviour is not only acceptable, but laudable.

For every time you argue that George did not deserve to die, I will agree and argue that he could have avoided it quite easily.
 
The handful of really Left Wing Marxists Leninists in the US ( and that is probably about enough for a five a side football tournament) are insignificant in numbers and influence outside of student politics.

BLM appear to be marxist and they certainly dont seem insignificant at the moment.
 
It's the entire issue.

The mindset that makes someone embarking on a criminal action believe that when caught they can evade, wheedle, whine, wriggle, bleat, bluster, argue or threaten their way out of the consequences of their behaviour is the issue.
Your issue, perhaps. My issue is that you apparently think that it’s ok for some to be killed for it. Seems wholly disproportionate to me.

In your mind, your desire to absolve George of his own culpability does little more than pander to those who would have us believe that this sort of behaviour is not only acceptable, but laudable.
You’re so ready to complain about people telling you what you think, but you are just as ready to decide what others think. Consequences are fine if they are proportionate.

For every time you argue that George did not deserve to die, I will agree and argue that he could have avoided it quite easily.
First off, he’d have to expect it to avoid it and I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect it.
Second, if he could have easily avoided it then does that make it his fault, thus absolving the officer?
 
Your issue, perhaps. My issue is that you apparently think that it’s ok for some to be killed for it. Seems wholly disproportionate to me.


You’re so ready to complain about people telling you what you think, but you are just as ready to decide what others think. Consequences are fine if they are proportionate.


First off, he’d have to expect it to avoid it and I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect it.
Second, if he could have easily avoided it then does that make it his fault, thus absolving the officer?
Being arrested was not exactly a new experience for Mr. Floyd. This wasn’t his first rodeo. He knew what to expect, and still acted like an idiot. I do wonder If the officer got tired of listening to him and tuned him out at the wrong moment.
 
Mr George may have been a bad boy but what happened to "Presumed innocent until proven guilty"?

He was ACCUSED of using a fake 20 dollar bill.
Any proof that he knew it was fake?
Or even that it was a fake?
No.
And it won't come to trial and that he has no chance to prove his innocence, because a cop choked him to death in public. In front of other cops. On camera.

This point seems to have escaped you.
Yep, the world is rid of one less scummy criminal - it's no great loss to the gene pool TBH. I bet all the previous victims of his crimes are kind of happy in the way that he's now no longer around to commit more crimes. I just hope the judge and jury see fit to release the cop with a minimal sentence or acquit him altogether as this was nothing more than a tragic accident and that's all.
 
Being arrested was not exactly a new experience for Mr. Floyd. This wasn’t his first rodeo. He knew what to expect, and still acted like an idiot. I do wonder If the officer got tired of listening to him and tuned him out at the wrong moment.
So it’s ok that he was killed?
 
Your issue, perhaps. My issue is that you apparently think that it’s ok for some to be killed for it. Seems wholly disproportionate to me.

Some people do deserve to be killed - hence why some countries have the death penalty. GF was a career criminal - he had plenty chances to change his life but he never, and he basically died because he was still committing crimes after being in and out of prison for his entire life (and that's only the crimes he got caught and sentenced for). Let's face it, if there's such a place as heaven - he isn't going to end up there, he will be burning in hell as we speak, thinking about all the people who's life he made a misery due to his endless crimes. He was a scummy person and now he will be immortalised in the history books as someone that committed lots of crime and died because of it. End of story (well his anyway).
 
So it’s ok that he was killed?
No it was not, but Mr. Floyd might as well have been a member of his own firing squad. He was also responsible for his actions and the series of events that led to his demise. But many forum members are willing to make him a poster boy just like Michael Brown.

Which is where the law abiding members of society, grow tired of the shrieking left. You folks are your own worst enemy.
 

Mattb

LE
For every time you argue that George did not deserve to die, I will agree and argue that he could have avoided it quite easily.
That is true - to a greater or lesser extent - of literally everyone who dies in a traumatic event.
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
Mr George may have been a bad boy but what happened to "Presumed innocent until proven guilty"?

He was ACCUSED of using a fake 20 dollar bill.
Any proof that he knew it was fake?
Or even that it was a fake?
No.


He was a clear and present danger, not for the $20 bill but because he was about to drive a vehicle whilst clearly being intoxicated.

Indeed the initial 911 call, whilst mentioning the fake bill, was clearly out of concern that someone that the store owner considered drunk was sitting in a car and about to drive off.

It was obvious from the first few moments that he was hiighly intoxicated, and in command of a vehicle, so you'd have to be an idiot to presume him innocent and allow him on his merry way.

He told the officers he had covid and had tried to escape through the opposite pasenger side door, therefore he had to be restrained until the ambulance arrived. The officers can't be expected to give him medical attention during a pandemic, and Chauvin arrived on the scene to find supposedly rookie cops struggling to control him. Frankly opening up the other side door wasn't bright, but it was well intentioned.

If that had been a skinhead redneck with a check shirt and two teeth who was drunk, accused of fraud, resisted arrest, cried for his mommy, with a history of violence against women whilst refusing to get in the car, tried to escape from the car and had a heart attack due to crystal meth then.... The cucks wouldn't be cucking.

The racism here is on the part of the observer, the media and not the cops who were about as gentle as they could be under the circumstances.

If Floyd had been sky blue yellow with pink spots he wouldn't have been treated any differently. Though if Chauvin had been black the end result would be plenty of pleasant art works still decorating our unburnt cities, no proto armies marching through London in fascist uniform and far less Covid spread due to politically correct mass demonstrations not being encouraged by the media.

How many lives have been lost due to Cuck Lives Matter, the BBC and CNN?

At the end of the day the supposed antiracists are just guttersnipe racists, and they infect the media which can clearly no longer be trusted.

If you want moral retards similar to Gravelbelly or Hector delivering your news to you then you might as well just tune into CCP propaganda and cut out the middleman.

Trump's primary message for the last 4 years has been fake news, and the whole Floyd thing shows just how dangerous fake news and those who staff or support it are.

Which is nice and red pilling.

The people, on the whole, know they are being socially engineered by feminists and their rapey cuck fellow travellers. They also know they have an intrinsic right to protect their families, their communities and by extension their wider group against black propaganda.

Have a bad day and you, your sister, your cousin or your friend could be the next Chauvin to be demonised for merely doing your job.
 
We have societies now where liberal minded people have gifted wrong doers an endless list of reasons why it is not their fault that they do wrong. This gives them a victim mindset and they continue to commit crimes safe in the knowledge they can't help it. The real victims get sweet FA in return.

I wonder whether you see the irony? Let's look at your reasoning:

We have societies now where illiberal minded people have gifted wrongdoers (Derek Chauvin, tax fraudster and killer of prisoners) an endless list or reasons why it is not their fault that they do wrong (if the victim had only done exactly what he was told, and not been pissed up or mildly awkward). This gives them a victim mindset (thin blue line! liberal mainstream media! Antifa! XLW! cancel culture!), and they continue to commit crimes (at least six years evading taxes! twice disciplined for excessive force! killing someone in handcuffs!) safe in the knowledge they can't help it (they don't pay us enough to keep the streets clean!). The real victims (the people who die at their hands, handcuffed and lying on the floor) get sweet FA in return.

Gosh, if only Baha Mousa hadn't looked a bit shifty, he wouldn't have been beaten to death by the QLR - after all, he probably "didn't do exactly as he was told".
 
I wonder whether you see the irony? Let's look at your reasoning:

We have societies now where illiberal minded people have gifted wrongdoers (Derek Chauvin, tax fraudster and killer of prisoners) an endless list or reasons why it is not their fault that they do wrong (if the victim had only done exactly what he was told, and not been pissed up or mildly awkward). This gives them a victim mindset (thin blue line! liberal mainstream media! Antifa! XLW! cancel culture!), and they continue to commit crimes (at least six years evading taxes! twice disciplined for excessive force! killing someone in handcuffs!) safe in the knowledge they can't help it (they don't pay us enough to keep the streets clean!). The real victims (the people who die at their hands, handcuffed and lying on the floor) get sweet FA in return.

Gosh, if only Baha Mousa hadn't looked a bit shifty, he wouldn't have been beaten to death by the QLR - after all, he probably "didn't do exactly as he was told".

Well done.

One can almost see the flecks of foam spattering your screen as you typed that.
 
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Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
I wonder whether you see the irony? Let's look at your reasoning:

We have societies now where illiberal minded people have gifted wrongdoers (Derek Chauvin, tax fraudster and killer of prisoners) an endless list or reasons why it is not their fault that they do wrong (if the victim had only done exactly what he was told, and not been pissed up or mildly awkward). This gives them a victim mindset (thin blue line! liberal mainstream media! Antifa! XLW! cancel culture!), and they continue to commit crimes (at least six years evading taxes! twice disciplined for excessive force! killing someone in handcuffs!) safe in the knowledge they can't help it (they don't pay us enough to keep the streets clean!). The real victims (the people who die at their hands, handcuffed and lying on the floor) get sweet FA in return.

Gosh, if only Baha Mousa hadn't looked a bit shifty, he wouldn't have been beaten to death by the QLR - after all, he probably "didn't do exactly as he was told".

And therein lies the difference.

From the BBC, CNN and cuck types you see actual visceral race based hatred. They think it is their God given right, even their duty, to defame, cancel and promote violence towards those they target.

From the red pilled side little but pity for those without the balls to do the right and moral thing.

Which in this case is innocent until proven guilty.

On another note one hopes that Chauvin is crowdfunding libel actions against the entire gamut of westerm media. Would bring them to their knees.
 

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