Is this worth deploying us for? Karzais new rape law

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Kaye, Apr 2, 2009.

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  1. I wonder whether Afghanistan is still worth fighting for. It seems all gains made in the last few years are being bartered away to appease the enemy...

    President Karzai of Afghanistan is preparing a law that allows rape within a marriage - or to put it better: When a woman is raped by her husband, it isn't rape, because he's her husband... This law will also seriously limit the freedom of movement of Afghan women. Women will no longer be allowed to have a job; an education or visit a doctor without their husband's permission.

    Afghan senator Humaira Namati calls this new piece of legislation "worse than it was under the Taliban".
    I wonder if Western politicians knew about Karzai's plans during the last summit in The Hague! Would Hillary Clinton still be as supportive as she was when she knew this. I think it is weird that we're trying rebuild that country and are fighting those who used to suppress the population, while at the same time the new government is making plans to suppress the people in an even worse way!

    Are our politicians gullible; naive or just very, very cynical?
  2. Been done - "Why are we in Afghanistan again?"
  3. How about fcuking stupid? I suspect that and cynical...

  4. Erm...all three would about cover it! Actually they just don't have time to consider things like this, they have far too many expense forms to fill and porn films to view.
  5. Where I live(UAE), I had to write a No Objection Letter for my wife to work and we are both from UK. Its a part of the Muslim culture to have the men predominant in society.
  6. Only scanned the first page of this board and couldn't find anything on this matter.

    Still an issue I wanted to address, so there you are :blush:
  7. There is more than one page on this forum... and a search function.
  8. And most other cultures. Not many female religious heads or heads of state, very few high-profile female CEOs. Surely the horrendous gender discrimination is down to tribal and cultural rather than religion per se?
  9. I'd suggest it's more about Arabised culture than about religion per se. In the more educated parts of north Africa that I've visited it's not unusual to see females in positions of authority in business at least. Government still seemed to be male-dominated, mind you.

    Interestingly, there's a Hui mosque my wife's provincial capital which has a female imam. She can only preach to women and the male one only to men, but there doesn't seem to be any objection to women learning so long as they do so separately.
  10. You let her out the kitchen to work is her food that bad
  11. As much as the rape law might look horrifying to us today, we should bear in mind that legislation against marital rape is in fact quite a progressive move and certainly not the global norm.

    Not at all wishing to undermine the validity of our own laws against marital rape, it's important to remember - for the sake of context - that marital rape was considered a contradiction in terms in the UK right up until the late 1900s, and that laws against it do not exist in most countries. AFAIK there are no Arab countries with laws against it, and few if any countries in Africa and South American have such laws either.

    That we take it for granted that a man should not rape his wife is a mark of how successfully the UK have implemented just laws and how progressively we move toward gender equality, not necessarily a mark of how barbarous and backward the rest of the world is.

    It would be wrong to expect Afghanistan to adopt a female liberation issue that we ourselves only put on the statute books long after the 'feminist revolutions' of the 60s and 70s.

    (As for limiting their movement and dress, well...separate issue really. Against the background of other Arab states it looks less than justifiable, but we'd need the draft document itself to really judge.)