Is this why we are in the state we are in?

#1
Got a leaflet through my letter-box last night from some local Labour clown scratching around for a vote to get his nose in the trough, normally this would go straight into the recycling but I decided to read it.

He is 26. Politics student. Research assistant to 2 x Labour MPs in Westminster for 2 years. Worked in Local Government as diversity something or other no doubt.

What life experience does this man possess? What wealth has he created? What service has he carried out in the name of his country? What responsibility has he shouldered? Where has he learned the lesson of his honest mistakes?

My question is: is this symptomatic of the current class (or lack of it) of the political elite we are lumbered with? Just professional politicians who can argue blue is black all day long but who actually have no experience of the real world whatsoever.
 
#2
Twice-the-man said:
Got a leaflet through my letter-box last night from some local Labour clown scratching around for a vote to get his nose in the trough, normally this would go straight into the recycling but I decided to read it.

He is 26. Politics student. Research assistant to 2 x Labour MPs in Westminster for 2 years. Worked in Local Government as diversity something or other no doubt.

What life experience does this man possess? What wealth has he created? What service has he carried out in the name of his country? What responsibility has he shouldered? Where has he learned the lesson of his honest mistakes?

My question is: is this symptomatic of the current class (or lack of it) of the political elite we are lumbered with? Just professional politicians who can argue blue is black all day long but who actually have no experience of the real world whatsoever.
In a nutshell that is precisely the problem.
 
#3
Seems that way doesn't it...

Then again, every known genius did their best work before the age of 30. My view is that politicians should reflect society, a few younger ones should be a healthy thing.

Not too many mind.

TB
 
#4
Yup, that's about the size of it. Do buGGer-all meaningful for a few years after you leave school, then hop onto the gravy-train for the rest of your life.....barstuds!
 
#5
Twice-the-man said:
Got a leaflet through my letter-box last night from some local Labour clown scratching around for a vote to get his nose in the trough, normally this would go straight into the recycling but I decided to read it.

He is 26. Politics student. Research assistant to 2 x Labour MPs in Westminster for 2 years. Worked in Local Government as diversity something or other no doubt.

What life experience does this man possess? What wealth has he created? What service has he carried out in the name of his country? What responsibility has he shouldered? Where has he learned the lesson of his honest mistakes?

My question is: is this symptomatic of the current class (or lack of it) of the political elite we are lumbered with? Just professional politicians who can argue blue is black all day long but who actually have no experience of the real world whatsoever.
Excellent questions best posed to the man himself in letter form I would have thought.

Get along to his next neighbourhood forum if he doesn't answer promptly, and pose the questions again in public.

In fact, pose the question to any candidate.

At 26, you very rarely have the life skills needed for such a task.

There really should be a minimum age for MP's , and a points process for selection. Not by how many times you've been humped as a researcher , but by what you've actually done with your existence.
 
#7
to be fair a genius would be wasted in westminster in fact in most orginisations fortunatly we don't get that many :roll:

ideal candidates people who have knocked about abit and achieved something seem abit of life not just spent some years in the city or as lawyers (nothing wrong with a few city bankers and a few lawyers but thats hardly the make up of the uk population).
old labour did use to throw up some geniune ex workers who'd got there hands dirty at some point.
lawyers politcal students lobbyists and research assistants may know how the system works but are also part of the system.
not exactly going to be good at speaking there own mind.
 
#8
We used to be run by a clique of aristocrats completely unrepresentative of the normal british population, and they built the greatest empire the world has ever known, and now we're run by a bunch of lawyers and social workers who haven't got a clue. I'd take 'ruthless competance' over 'resembles me and makes me feel squishy about myself' any day of the week...I think you need Lawyers to write laws, and you need a balance of other people in Parliament as well, but the primary qualification should be proven competance in a field that relates to Parliament's work surely? Maybe Ministerial positions should be restricted to those with relevant experience- Defence minister former military officer, health secretary a doctor etc...
 
#9
What's he campaigning for? MP or seat on the council?
 
#10
TopBadger said:
Seems that way doesn't it...

Then again, every known genius did their best work before the age of 30.
That's most often said about scientists, but it wasn't always true even for them. Examples being Darwin and Einstein.

It's certainly not true of writers, artists, statesmen or even some kinds of sportsmen (look at the ages of people who set marathon records. The current world record was set by a man who was 35 at the time, and you have to go back quite a few years before you find somebody who was under 30 when they set it).

Some studies suggest that there's a better connection between creative/scientific output tailing off and getting married, rather than it being directly age related. Some of Einstein's best stuff was written when living apart from his first wife.
 
#11
Bradstyley said:
We used to be run by a clique of aristocrats completely unrepresentative of the normal british population, and they built the greatest empire the world has ever known, and now we're run by a bunch of lawyers and social workers who haven't got a clue. /quote]

..and ex TV journalists and ex ships stewards and ex teachers and etc who are all equally clueless, but atleast a bit more representative of the general population.
 
#12
I live in a very high Student population area ( am one myself although not a coventional student) and two years ago two students aged 20 &22 ran for the local council, this was after years of residents moaning that students don't care and were sending the area into a downward sprial, they were like a breath of fresh air for both for the area ( starting a student/resident panel) and the council they took over from two old timers who had been on the council for for years and years funishing their own back pockets more often over the needs of the residents and made the older members of the council realise that it was no longer a job for life/job for the boys.


Some times young blood can be a good thing, just as the elderly shouldn't be writtern off nor should the young, they aren't all lets go out get drunk and get laid and not give a dam about what tomorrow brings

WW ( aged 30 years and 5 months)

edited for mong spelling
 
#13
The quality (I use the word advisedly) of our MPs is directly related to the system of government we employ. We've allowed party politics to corrupt our political way of life to the extent that any serious discussion of a problem degenerates into 'you did it first!' 'well you did it worst!' cat-calling more redolent of a primary school playground than a sober forum of national policy-making.

You don't get healthy fish from polluted water. Deliberative democracy, folks. It's the way ahead. We have the technology, all we need is s few less greedy bastards holding us in contempt.
 
#14
smartascarrots said:
The quality (I use the word advisedly) of our MPs is directly related to the system of government we employ. We've allowed party politics to corrupt our political way of life to the extent that any serious discussion of a problem degenerates into 'you did it first!' 'well you did it worst!' cat-calling more redolent of a primary school playground than a sober forum of national policy-making.

You don't get healthy fish from polluted water. Deliberative democracy, folks. It's the way ahead. We have the technology, all we need is s few less greedy bastards holding us in contempt.
Wedgy Benn was on the radio yesterday, talking about a book on parliamentary speeches. He talked about categorising politicians into 2 camps; the signposts and the watchcocks (IIRC), saying that the latter are fickle sycophants, worried only about opinion polls and the next election, whereas the former are politicians of conviction. He lamented that there were fewer in the latter camp than there were when he started in politics. I think that he probably has a point, which would help explain the shoddy disregard for the taxpayer and any moral standards displayed by a sizeable proportion of our elected representatives.
 
#15
wompingwillow said:
I live in a very high Student population area ( am one myself although not a coventional student) and two years ago two students aged 20 &22 ran for the local council, this was after years of residents moaning that students don't care and were sending the area into a downward sprial, they were like a breath of fresh air for both for the area ( starting a student/resident panel) and the council they took over from two old timers who had been on the council for for years and years funishing their own back pockets more often over the needs of the residents and made the older members of the council realise that it was no longer a job for life/job for the boys.


Some times young blood can be a good thing, just as the elderly shouldn't be writtern off nor should the young, they aren't all lets go out get drunk and get laid and not give a dam about what tomorrow brings

WW ( aged 30 years and 5 months)

edited for mong spelling
Amen.
 
#16
It would seem that this political lightweight ZANULabour wannabee isn't the youngest.....but Pitt the younger who was PM at 24 really had a better handle on things that this shower of shoite.
 
#17
interestednovice said:
TopBadger said:
Seems that way doesn't it...

Then again, every known genius did their best work before the age of 30.
That's most often said about scientists, but it wasn't always true even for them. Examples being Darwin and Einstein.
My bold and AWFUL examples old chap.

Darwin came up with the theory of evolution on his voyage on HMS Beagle - which lasted 5 years, and started in December 1831, when Darwin was 22. He published his ideas later in life for several reasons.

Einstein's major works on the photoelectric effect and mass-energy equivilance (plus a few other others) were published in 1905, when he was 26.

:p
 

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#18
Bradstyley said:
We used to be run by a clique of aristocrats completely unrepresentative of the normal british population, and they built the greatest empire the world has ever known, and now we're run by a bunch of lawyers and social workers who haven't got a clue. I'd take 'ruthless competance' over 'resembles me and makes me feel squishy about myself' any day of the week...I think you need Lawyers to write laws, and you need a balance of other people in Parliament as well, but the primary qualification should be proven competance in a field that relates to Parliament's work surely? Maybe Ministerial positions should be restricted to those with relevant experience- Defence minister former military officer, health secretary a doctor etc...
Although I'll give you that the Empire was a fantastic achievement, it was built on the labour of children, lethal working conditions from pit to mill to factory, dirt, disease, poverty and living conditions of utter hopelessness for all but the very rich.

And there are a lot of MPs who are Lawyers at the moment, yet all the new laws are so badly drawn that their friends in the business are making a fortune.

I do think you have something with your 'ministers' though. And I'd add that all MPs should have done some form of public service, whether military, nursing, policing or teaching, to teach them what the world is really like, rather than their apparent school/university/research or profession career path.
 
#19
Grownup_Rafbrat said:
Bradstyley said:
We used to be run by a clique of aristocrats completely unrepresentative of the normal british population, and they built the greatest empire the world has ever known, and now we're run by a bunch of lawyers and social workers who haven't got a clue. I'd take 'ruthless competance' over 'resembles me and makes me feel squishy about myself' any day of the week...I think you need Lawyers to write laws, and you need a balance of other people in Parliament as well, but the primary qualification should be proven competance in a field that relates to Parliament's work surely? Maybe Ministerial positions should be restricted to those with relevant experience- Defence minister former military officer, health secretary a doctor etc...
Although I'll give you that the Empire was a fantastic achievement, it was built on the labour of children, lethal working conditions from pit to mill to factory, dirt, disease, poverty and living conditions of utter hopelessness for all but the very rich.

And there are a lot of MPs who are Lawyers at the moment, yet all the new laws are so badly drawn that their friends in the business are making a fortune.

I do think you have something with your 'ministers' though. And I'd add that all MPs should have done some form of public service, whether military, nursing, policing or teaching, to teach them what the world is really like, rather than their apparent school/university/research or profession career path.
Sucks to be poor at any point in any society in history, you can't judge a historical society by 21st century standards, you can only judge them by the standards of other contemporary societies, and compared to other 17th/18th/19th century societies even the poorest in Britain enjoyed a substantially higher standard of living, protection under law and prospects for the future then virtually any other society in the world at that time...
 
#20
Grownup_Rafbrat said:
Although I'll give you that the Empire was a fantastic achievement, it was built on the labour of children, lethal working conditions from pit to mill to factory, dirt, disease, poverty and living conditions of utter hopelessness for all but the very rich.
Yes, and my ancestors were there at the time. I still, however, am asked constantly to apologise for it.
 

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