I'll rephrase that then. We don't need to throw money at people to retain after 22yrs. It's a generalist statement, and I know that we throw money at niche individuals to keep them in after 22.
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Is this a Retention deal for you?
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Portree Kid
LE
I never mentioned throwing money at anyone.
We bin people after 22 years ( some at 40 years of age ) and then along comes this
https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/british-army-seeking-56-year-old-re-recruits.297497/
Can you not see the madness in binning 40 year olds ( after 22 ) whilst trying to re-recruit people up to the age of 56 ?
Nothing wrong with that - If they are truly niche individuals.
Because we are a bottom fed, upwards flowing organisation that needs people to leave out of the top to make way for those coming up behind.
We need people to leave after 22 years, because otherwise no-one would ever get promoted. Would you want to spend 10+ years as an OR1 or 2 in the knowledge that maybe, in 30+ years, you might make it to OR7 or 8?
We need people to leave after 22 years, because otherwise no-one would ever get promoted. Would you want to spend 10+ years as an OR1 or 2 in the knowledge that maybe, in 30+ years, you might make it to OR7 or 8?
stacker1
LE
Potentially you could buy everyone a car and get a discount, potentially you can do anything.
When the army outsources training, it generally goes to one organization and says it wants x amount of the same qualification, what kind of discount are you offering? As I said there are that few leaving at their 22, who want a qualification, from the vast amount of organizations offering them, you are highly unlikely to get a group discount.
Soldiers are pulling the pin at around the 4 to 8 year point because mainly they think the army is ****, they always have done for the last 30 years. The difference today as opposed to 30 years ago is that they don't have to listen to institutionalized SNCOs/Officers who have never worked in civvie street who are telling them how hard it is in civvie street, in reality its maybe hard for the mong childs but anyone with a bit of commonsense does well after they leave.
Portree Kid
LE
Yes alfred, I am aware of how the Army works.
They can be moved sideways and out of the promotion stream.
There is a multitude of jobs these guys could do.
What is a 56 year old re-enlister going to go in as ?
Or is an OR 8 who has been out 15 years going to come back in as an OR 8 ?
stacker1
LE
The RAF seem to have SACs who have served on average more time than the Armys Cpls. But then they appear to treat them better.
In civvie street not everyone gets promoted, some people are happy with what they have.
Berlin_104s
LE
We sent over a 'Manning' diagram to the Customer (RN) a few months ago, got returned on the volley! Nothing wrong with the structure and content, just the naming terminology.
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Queensman
ADC
There used to be a thing called the 'Special List'. Lt Cols who were not going any further up the ladder were placed on it - once on the SL they did SO2 type jobs, and I think took either a cut in pay or accepted that they wouldn't get a future 'rise'(?) but kept their rank. This kept all the slightly unglamorous yet pretty vital mundane desks filled whilst allowing the thrusters to carry on on their meteoric rise to stardom.
You’re not going to change the perception of the Army being shit as the commitments are likely to change any time soon. The US servicemen I spoke to rate their post service education programme. I’m not on about outsourcing training just choosing the educational establishments you throw money at. I would add anything that gives the impression of being looked after could help both recruiting and retention.
stacker1
LE
Maybe if seniors/officer werent such *******, the army might not be so shit.
FYB get tens of thousands of views a week thanks to the bellendry of the CoC.
Ask the Americans if they would rather have a pay rise.
Which courses and which educational establishments do you think are going to offer a massive discount to a small amount of people? Probably none, so give the blokes money.
The British army was still making its soldiers attend group PT in the middle of a covid pandemic, I think things like that have more of detrimental effect of recruiting and retention than the bribe of education.
No one is going to argue against a pay rise so it’s not a valid point to use. How does a bribe of education differ from a cash based bribe? The British Army wasn’t making soldiers do group PT. I know that because my unit wasn’t doing PT through various phases of C19 to date.
If they could offer health care that might be better but again a tough sell to the public, not as difficult as cash though.
stacker1
LE
If everyone wants a pay rise then give it to them before you think of any other schemes.
It differs because education is only wanted/needed by a far fewer number
Pretty certain FYB had photographic evidence of orders and people on PT to say they were, I contacted my previous unit, they were as well.
Cash can be used for anything, perks like education are for a far fewer number.
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Give everyone a pay rise, what planet are you on? Pretty certain that PT in my unit isn't on, so "the British Army" isn't doing group PT during a pandemic but some units within the whole of MOD might be (unlikely the RAF or NAVY are).
Cash can be used for anything but the public has got to be willing to give it to you. Just giving money away is a tough sell, there's no tangible value to it.
I'm not sure where you get education being a perk from, it's always struck me as a bit more than that.
stacker1
LE
What planet am I on to give people a pay rise that you say the majority want rather than pay for education that a minority want?
Do you even do PT at your unit? You have been on the biff for over 2 decades, I think numerous units doing PT qualifies as the British Army doing PT. The British Army used to do CFTs, just because you have a laminated biff chit exempting you from it, doesnt mean the British Army didnt do it.
You think the public would resent giving the Army cash, but wont resent giving the Army cash to pay for a qualification?
If the army dont need you to have it, then its a perk to get it isnt it?
This seem to just be you wanting something in particular so put forward the idea that the army should pay for it it for everyone, when in reality it would only benefit a small amount of people, but hey thats ok if you are one of them eh?
Hmmmm. I am sure that that Czar Vlad's Russian Navy happily sailing up the Channel is not beset by such problems (though probably a few mechanical ones).
lacrabat
LE
The Royal Green Jackets had a reputation for being innovative and forward thinking, they simply preempted the British military making being gay legal.
Basically, once again where they led, the rest of the army followed...........
Its a bit far down the road to give me a retention bonus isn't it.
stacker1
LE
No need to pay for your education either.
You've already paid for it in 2007 thank you. The point is that cash is only used to plug a hole, it isn't a solution. The bonus of education provision is that people like you won't take it up, therefore a few quid is saved once (in my mind) the run out period finishes.
