Is the worm finally begining to turn?

#1
Have the population really had enough and are starting to turn on this mendacious lot?

Civil liberties campaigners have united in an unprecedented coalition to fight state intrusion into everyday lives.

Politicians, lawyers, human rights campaigners and celebrities joined forces over the weekend to form the Convention on Modern Liberty - a call to arms for Britons to stand up for their democratic rights.

They warned that the erosion of traditional freedoms and the emergence of surveillance techniques was pushing the nation to the brink of becoming a Big-Brother police state.

More than 1,500 people gathered across eight British cities to hear from 80 expert speakers --including the former director of public prosecutions Ken Macdonald, the human rights lawyer Dame Helena Kennedy, author Philip Pullman and musician Brian Eno.

The convention raised concerns about issues such as the alleged torture of Guantanamo Bay suspects, plans for ID cards, DNA databases and controversial surveillance powers being used by civil servants.

There was also strong criticism of Government plans to create a database of all the communications and movements of ordinary people.

Former Shadow Home Secretary David Davis told the BBC yesterday: 'We've got a situation where the Government is building databases for everybody from cradle to grave and they're going to know almost everything about all of us.

'They want a database of every single email, text, telephone call, which they can then search.'

Dame Helena warned: 'There is a general feeling that in creating a climate of fear people have been writing a blank cheque to government.

'People feel the fear of terrorism is being used to take away a lot of rights.'

The speakers also attacked judges who allowed libel law to be manipulated by 'dodgy characters' from all over the world who use UK courts to suppress valid investigative journalism.
The daily hate I know, but even a broken watch is right twice a day. ;)
 
#2
Britain has deliberatly been made an unsefe place by Labour so they can"justify" intrusive surveillence.

A couple of examples of how unsafe Britain has become under Labour,

No control of the borders,so terrorists have almost unfettered access to Britain.

A liberal CPS and judicial system which provides almost no deterrent to crime,resulting in the law-abiding majority feeling unsafe,which in itself enhances support for "initiaves" for crime supression.
 
#3
Le_addeur_noir said:
Britain has deliberatly been made an unsefe place by Labour so they can"justify" intrusive surveillence.
I don't think it's deliberate, it's incompetence.
 
#4
dingerr said:
Le_addeur_noir said:
Britain has deliberatly been made an unsefe place by Labour so they can"justify" intrusive surveillence.
I don't think it's deliberate, it's incompetence.
I disagree, I believe it is deliberate and pre-meditated.
I believe that this government under Balir and Brown have a deep seated belief that the people of Britain are there to do their bidding and be obedient to the state.
By starting with small and seemingly reasonable things like Gatso's they have almost succeded, every aspect of life is tightly controlled by the state (as long as you are relatively honest). The redistribution of wealth via tax-credits does the same thing, its keeps the masses dependant on the state and therefor compliant.
The tragedy of it all is that it has pretty much worked, they have managed to create an apathetic public that is subservient to the state. Almost.
 
#5
jagman said:
dingerr said:
Le_addeur_noir said:
Britain has deliberatly been made an unsefe place by Labour so they can"justify" intrusive surveillence.
I don't think it's deliberate, it's incompetence.
I disagree, I believe it is deliberate and pre-meditated.
I believe that this government under Balir and Brown have a deep seated belief that the people of Britain are there to do their bidding and be obedient to the state.
By starting with small and seemingly reasonable things like Gatso's they have almost succeded, every aspect of life is tightly controlled by the state (as long as you are relatively honest). The redistribution of wealth via tax-credits does the same thing, its keeps the masses dependant on the state and therefor compliant.
The tragedy of it all is that it has pretty much worked, they have managed to create an apathetic public that is subservient to the state. Almost.
I'm going with incompetance, I honestly don't believe the Government has the brains to think of such a complicated and drawn out conspiracy.
 
#6
#7
quiller said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/02/charlie-brooker-politicians

charlie brooker on this in the guardian - amusing
Excellent piece by Charlie Brooker there! Politicians take us for mugs and treat us like sh1t... they have done for year.

Although... surprise, surprise ... at election time they are suddenly our best friends and explain (ever so condescendingly) how much they have done for us all these years!
 
#8
kes1 said:
jagman said:
dingerr said:
Le_addeur_noir said:
Britain has deliberatly been made an unsefe place by Labour so they can"justify" intrusive surveillence.
I don't think it's deliberate, it's incompetence.
I disagree, I believe it is deliberate and pre-meditated.
I believe that this government under Balir and Brown have a deep seated belief that the people of Britain are there to do their bidding and be obedient to the state.
By starting with small and seemingly reasonable things like Gatso's they have almost succeded, every aspect of life is tightly controlled by the state (as long as you are relatively honest). The redistribution of wealth via tax-credits does the same thing, its keeps the masses dependant on the state and therefor compliant.
The tragedy of it all is that it has pretty much worked, they have managed to create an apathetic public that is subservient to the state. Almost.
I'm going with incompetance, I honestly don't believe the Government has the brains to think of such a complicated and drawn out conspiracy.
Thje progressive nibbling away of civil liberties is to calculated to be sown to incompetence.
The escalation and progress is very deliberate, each step has taken society a littel further down the road to complete dependence on the state. It cannot be anything other than deliberate, the progress has been to steady and calculated for it to be a series of accidents.
 
#9
Conspirices or incompetence, there is one common denominator which fits both views, and that is the rise in the power of women. The female of the species is by nature a selfish, coniving, intelligent being that wants it's cake and eat it. Parliament is over run by women who have far too much power. They want to know everyone's business and then control it. They are devoid of common sense or a logical thought process and did i mention they are selfish?
This country is being run by a sex that can't even reverse into a parking space and then go mental once a month.
Don't get me wrong, I love them to bits and wouldn't shag anything else, but ask yourself this; why is it called a NANNY state.
 
#10
I hope everyone, and I mean everyone (Sven, Ashie & co), that poo-poohed those of us who said all of that thin-end-of-the-wedge stuff over the last 10+ years have the decency to eat their own fecking words now.

Probably a bit of a tall order though...
 
#11
stoatman said:
I hope everyone, and I mean everyone (Sven, Ashie & co), that poo-poohed those of us who said all of that thin-end-of-the-wedge stuff over the last 10+ years have the decency to eat their own fecking words now.

Probably a bit of a tall order though...
You'll be lucky :D
I would imagine it will all be labled a tin foil inspired, fact free pile of bollox, we can then all forget about it and carry on being indoctrinated.
 

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