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Is the time right for the return of the Royal Tournament?

#1
I have seen a couple of advertisements for the International Air Show at RAF Fairford next weekend. I dare say that the RAF will pour in a lot of resources to this premier event.

The Royal Navy still has its Open Day in Portsmouth.

But, although we have the Aldershot Army Show, I am of the opinion that it is a shadow of its former self.

So, should we be lobbying for the return of the Royal Tournament? With the return of the Gun Run, of course!

Litotes
 

mysteron

LE
Book Reviewer
#2
Mr_D,

I disagree - now is the time for its resurrection. The challenge is that the way it is organised has to be very much different than before. Essentially, the MoD will have to come to an effective accommodation with the private sector (i.e. so they can see a return on investment) for running it.

The MoD will have to use it for what is was - an effective recruiting tool and awareness campaign for all 3 services, using the its highest traditions (Field Gun Race, King's Tp, crashes and bangs as Royal abseils from the roof, RAF Regiment trying to do rifle drill, bags of cats being kicked around area by blokes wearing tartan skirts, etc ;-) ).

The venue would have to change - how about the O2 arena or Wembley? Even better the site for 2012 Olympics when finished. Earl's Court is / was too expensive to run. Having privately owned (but corporate sponsored) venues would probably be more effective and do it under the banner of raising cash for RBL, H4H, BLESMA, etc. But I say again, the private sector needs to make its buck from it.

Getting into bed with the enemy such as The Sun would also be necessary to generate the publicity machine including actively selling the rights for the TV show and DVD copies.

No longer can it be a last hurrah and jingoistic display to aid recruitment. It needs to be run as an effective business. Edinburgh Tattoo has done very well by doing so and it helps pay for the upkeep of the castle. Windsor is beginning to do the same. The Royal Tournament would have to be even more commercially sensitive.

Just my tuppence worth.
 
#3
mysteron said:
The MoD will have to use it for what is was - an effective recruiting tool and awareness campaign for all 3 services, using the its highest traditions (Field Gun Race, King's Tp, crashes and bangs as Royal abseils from the roof, RAF Regiment trying to do rifle drill, bags of cats being kicked around area by blokes wearing tartan skirts, etc ;-) ).
Ah, but isn't the army approaching 100% manning?

msr
 
#4
msr said:
mysteron said:
The MoD will have to use it for what is was - an effective recruiting tool and awareness campaign for all 3 services, using the its highest traditions (Field Gun Race, King's Tp, crashes and bangs as Royal abseils from the roof, RAF Regiment trying to do rifle drill, bags of cats being kicked around area by blokes wearing tartan skirts, etc ;-) ).
Ah, but isn't the army approaching 100% manning?

msr
I really do hope that coment has a thick vein of sarcasm running through it. Already things are begining to slow down - nothing drastic yet - but perhaps the recruiting gold mine is starting to lose its momentum. It will do, as sure as eggs is eggs and we need to be ready for it. Recruiting activity now will only begin to have an effect on what happens in a year or so. So, whilst I would firmly vote against the fu.cking nausea which was the RT, we shouldn't take our eye off the recruiting ball for a single minute...
 

Flyingrockdj

War Hero
Moderator
#5
Interestingly the Windsor Royal tattoo is looking more and more like the Royal tournament every year, ideal venue with stadium, queen etc..........................
 
#6
Flyingrockdj said:
Interestingly the Windsor Royal tattoo is looking more and more like the Royal tournament every year, ideal venue with stadium, queen etc..........................
I'd like to see the return of the Royal Tournament, but I think you may be right on this.
 
#7
Flyingrockdj said:
Interestingly the Windsor Royal tattoo is looking more and more like the Royal tournament every year, ideal venue with stadium, queen etc..........................
Maybe a little, but the gun run this year was rubbish in comparison to the old one!
 
#8
freebie said:
Flyingrockdj said:
Interestingly the Windsor Royal tattoo is looking more and more like the Royal tournament every year, ideal venue with stadium, queen etc..........................
Maybe a little, but the gun run this year was rubbish in comparison to the old one!
There are two issues with the Gun Run: one is that H&S don't like it in its original format - heights, slips, trips and falls, weights a long way in excess of 20kg, etc., all combine to cause a sharp intake of breath; and two is that it used to cost the RN as much to maintain the gun teams as it did to operate a Frigate. Plus, there simply isn't the manpower to maintain the Gun Teams to the required high standard.
 
#9
ottar said:
There are two issues with the Gun Run: one is that H&S don't like it in its original format - heights, slips, trips and falls, weights a long way in excess of 20kg, etc., all combine to cause a sharp intake of breath; and two is that it used to cost the RN as much to maintain the gun teams as it did to operate a Frigate. Plus, there simply isn't the manpower to maintain the Gun Teams to the required high standard.
Probably no coincidence that the demise of the aggression and spirit of the gun run was followed in later years by incidents like Jack's humiliation off the coast of Iran.......
 
#12
msr said:
mysteron said:
The MoD will have to use it for what is was - an effective recruiting tool and awareness campaign for all 3 services, using the its highest traditions (Field Gun Race, King's Tp, crashes and bangs as Royal abseils from the roof, RAF Regiment trying to do rifle drill, bags of cats being kicked around area by blokes wearing tartan skirts, etc ;-) ).
Ah, but isn't the army approaching 100% manning?

msr
That was one of my thoughts when I posted the question!

Litotes
 
#13
Too right ......... nothing like doing late turn and then going to Earls Court to get p1ssed up in the field gun bar!!

Also nothing like coming across a bunch of FFL pissed up and spoiling for a fight.... or the squaddie who met a young lady and gone to see her etchings and then crashed her car, having borrowed it without her permission, to get back in time for the evening performance .........

Loved it when ever the Tournament was in town, most fun policing ever....



I am all for it.

Trotsky
 
#15
Tentative support from me, I'm afraid. The Royal Tournament was so naff in its last few years that it was hardly worthy of the Army's attendance. If a phoenix is to rise from the ashes, there had better be some taste, style, effort and less commercialism.
 

Command_doh

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
When they are looking to save even more money being spent on the MOD budget in light of events in Vietnam/Afghanistan and the economic collapse, isn't it more likely that these sort of things would be scaled back instead of forked out for?
 

mysteron

LE
Book Reviewer
#17
V_M & C_D,

That is exactly my point. There will be no (or very little) public funding for such an event. It must be commercialised and the private sector would support it if they saw a return on investment.

The bottom line will rule all for any event and as mentioned above the Windsor Castle Tattoo is becoming more like the RT (as was).

I agree with V_M when he syas the last few years were a bit naff. In today's consumerist society it will take proper PR and marketing gurus on behalf of big companies being seen to support the Armed Forces.

That does menan that Pte McFcuknuts will be running around in Desert trousers and boots with a sloganised T-Shirt of the sponsors. It would be very hard to pull it off (the image that is not the shirt...and other associated gags) but it would be the only viable way of doing it.

I can see various monocles being dropped in the lunchtime soup down Horse Guards and rustling of newspapers in the mess when it happens - but the Armed Forces will have to move with the times.

A living example is the MPH car show that features Top Gear. The main reason why people go is to see the Top Gear Live stage show and being petrol heads will look at the cars that take up the remaining 75% of floor space - most of stalls being about how to chav up your wheels, innit!! A similar model will have to be taken for a new version of RT to work.
 
#18
Excellent idea for the RT to come back , I sense a return of patriotism among middle England. the gun run was a fantastic show of guts and entertainment. Who cares what some of the less desirable population of our inner cities thinks.
 
#19
To be honest I don't think the private sector would even need a buck as a "return" on the investment.

Even in these straightened times most large companies have massive PR budgets, and would probably see enough of a return in helping "fly the flag".
 

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