Is the TA worthwhile?

#1
This isn't about the merits of each individual v his/her regular counterparts or the contribution of TA peeps- which has been fantastic. I wonder if there's a better way to provide people to backfill the army on operations.

E.g. 4 PARA do a gap year where they bring a bloke in, train him for a few months and then deploy him with a regular Bn. No countless years of paying a bounty and MTDs. A far more economical way of delivering the mission statement and they appear to have no problems recruiting people specifically to go on ops (although I gather there are issues with maintaining the para standard).

Is the 4 PARA gap year model the way to go for the entire TA?

Has the TA run it's course?
 
#2
Well there is a(nother) review of the TA coming our way.

No doubt this will show us the way.

msr
 
#3
msr said:
Well there is a(nother) review of the TA coming our way.

No doubt this will show us the way.

msr
is that the one where any decisions will not be made public until after the TA100 celebrations!

and why would that be?
 
#4
Could be ;)

msr
 
#5
Yes...but I have the sneaky feeling that changes are afoot including a name change once TA100 is out the way...or maybe it's me being a cynic! :wink:
 
#6
Well a massive reduction in estate is almost certainly heading our way....

msr
 
#8
msr said:
Well a massive reduction in estate is almost certainly heading our way....

msr
As long as they sell off PWOG Grantham I'd be happy!! :D
 
#9
Well there's no need for more than one TAC in a major city.

msr
 
#10
Plz 2 b elaborating Mr MSR habibi.
 
#11
msr said:
Well there's no need for more than one TAC in a major city.

msr
Manchester has quite a few different TAC's all over the city, I don't see why you shouldn't have more than one TAC in a major city?? I know we share ours in Manchester with another unit I spose that cuts the numbers down but surely major cities are where the majority of recruitment to the TA stems it's best to have a few TAC's? Also is it's easier accessible to travel too.
 
#12
All good comments.

The question I was really trying to ask was "Do we need a TA at all now that we can recruit from civvy street, call them up immediately, do a few months PDT followed by an Op tour and discharge?" Far more cost effective than paying the wage bill for the TA, (many of whom will never deploy) and equiping 40,000 people in their specialist roles.

It's a bit like stepping back in time to the days when we used to raise regiments only in time of war. Far cheaping than having a standing reserve.
 
#13
gi_barbie said:
msr said:
Well there's no need for more than one TAC in a major city.

msr
Manchester has quite a few different TAC's all over the city, I don't see why you shouldn't have more than one TAC in a major city?? I know we share ours in Manchester with another unit I spose that cuts the numbers down but surely major cities are where the majority of recruitment to the TA stems it's best to have a few TAC's? Also is it's easier accessible to travel too.
Why have multiple TACs, which requires heating / lighting / repairs / storemen / PSAOs / kit etc when you can have 3 units training in one TAC on different nights and you can sell off some prime real estate for a quick buck?

msr
 
#14
Chibber said:
All good comments.

The question I was really trying to ask was "Do we need a TA at all now that we can recruit from civvy street, call them up immediately, do a few months PDT followed by an Op tour and discharge?" Far more cost effective than paying the wage bill for the TA, (many of whom will never deploy) and equiping 40,000 people in their specialist roles.

It's a bit like stepping back in time to the days when we used to raise regiments only in time of war. Far cheaping than having a standing reserve.
Well, some would say that is the way the TA are heading.

Other would argue that the TA is your insurer of last resort and will be the 're-generators' for a future large scale deliberate intervention (LSDI).

Perhaps the powers-that-be believe that we will have sufficient warning for the next LSDI that we will be able to requisition the real estate and conscript the recruits that will be needed.

Given that over 13,000 TA have deployed - that is aprox 1/3 of the TA's strength, the rest being recruits and those leaving, I think you are being a little unfair in your assessment that 'many of whom will never deploy'

msr
 
#15
Chibber said:
All good comments.

The question I was really trying to ask was "Do we need a TA at all now that we can recruit from civvy street, call them up immediately, do a few months PDT followed by an Op tour and discharge?" Far more cost effective than paying the wage bill for the TA, (many of whom will never deploy) and equiping 40,000 people in their specialist roles.

It's a bit like stepping back in time to the days when we used to raise regiments only in time of war. Far cheaping than having a standing reserve.
How would you see the regular component of the army effected in such a scenario chibber?
 
#16
ABrighter2006 said:
How would you see the regular component of the army effected in such a scenario chibber?
Given that they are some 5,000 soldiers short and Capt/Maj are leaving in ever increasing numbers, you can draw your own conclusions.

msr
 
#17
I suppose yea, just abit crappy tryin to fit several different units into one TAC. There are a few spare offices you could shove some people into. I do agree with your points though yea. We do sometimes have shared functions kind of so I suppose that has some benefits. It just depends what units you're putting into the same TAC.

I agree with the comments about a lot of TA never deploying, however alot of it is not through the TA soldiers fault, it's through a lack of opportunities, well from my experience in our unit. Also there's a lot of older people who do clog up the TA, that's a different subject but I thought it was valid.
 
#18
the only trouble with training and sending on op is that they would still be inexperienced compared to a Ta soldier who has done more than one op experience is a quality you want to keep not train them as fast as you can to send them where they might get hurt. I am proud to be in the British army because I know I will be training to one of the highest points. (sounds really cheesy too!)

its nice to have more than one tac in a city so that a if its a big city you can get to it and be you have more choice in what you can do rather than being stuck with just one regiment if you wanted to do some thing else.
admittedly they could put them in the same place for cost effectiveness I suppose.
 
#19
msr said:
Given that over 13,000 TA have deployed - that is aprox 1/3 of the TA's strength, the rest being recruits and those leaving, I think you are being a little unfair in your assessment that 'many of whom will never deploy'

msr
Well that leaves 2 thrids that haven't deployed. So in business terms, the army has only seen a 33% return on the money spent on the TA (if you believe that 1 tour per person justifies a career of training). Whereas it has seen 100% return on the money spent on the 4PARA gap year project.

In a time when the army is being influenced/run by bean counters it makes good financial sense to only recruit your reservists for specific operations rather than have them hanging about just in case.
 
#20
Ack f*ck it least there doing something who really gives a crap about the money ept the MoD and politicians tax players can shut there f*cking mouths on the subject unless they want to do a tour instead of them then they can comment on the subject if not keep it closed.

The TA is doing a role will be doing that role for sometime end of.
 
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