Is the Soldier of today as good as in the past??

#1
Hi,This is my first post.
Is todays soldier as good as he used to be??
When i was in training over 12 years ago,there was lots of time for training,exe,etc,however!
most of the instructors had little or no combat experience.!!

Today,everybody has combat experience!but the drills are all rushed in order to get bods out to Units!!

So is todays Soldier as good as he used to be??
Any views?
 
#2
Are the drills really rushed? Surely the length of phase 1 training is as long as it's always been? (I stand to be corrected, as always though)
 

ugly

LE
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#3
There never used to be training regiments and phases of training, just regimental depots and it was very good. I doubt if there is a drop of difference between the soldiers of my day and those now, except I am more than old enough to be their father!
 
#4
You're not ex-Duke of Glendon's Regiment, by any chance? It's the same proposition that is the running theme in "The Way Ahead".

Doubtless, since men first ran around in groups with sticks and stones to cause harm to other groups of men with sticks and stones, the claim has always been, "They're not as well trained as we were."

I suspect that the soldiers of today are less smart than some of those in history, and perhaps less well versed on the drill square, but that's because the nature of the training has changed - and it's changed to reflect current situations. So, not necessarily less good, but certainly very different.

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#7
I dare say there is probably a case to argue for today's soldiers not being able to improvise as well; I'm saying this purely as an observation of how much better our kit is these days, nothing to substantiate it though. Erm...discuss.

Thanks to the advent of PS3's and Xbox's, today's soldier probably can't drink as much either. :)
 
#8
Thanks for the response.
Yes,Phase 1&2 are the same length,
What i mean was this......
In past times,Skills such as FIBUA would have been over a few weeks,in the current enviroment these drills are been cut in order for extra skills needed to deploy straight into theatre.
So,....if the length of the course is the same!but the sylibus involves more! dose it produce a more rounded soldier??
 
#9
I would hazard a guess that yesterday's soldier possibly spent more time on the ranges, and less time f#cking about with IT, and being briefed on mandatory H&S, E&D shite...

But then, I do have rose tinted lenses on prescription.
 
#10
The best soldiers were the ones that carried SLR's ;-)
 

ugly

LE
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#11
Adult trg coy in the 1970's and 80 was about 18 to 22 weeks depending upon depot etc. You could then be sent to a Bn on ops with a whole 2 weeks NIRRT. So current optag seems to be a bargain really!
 
#12
Thanks for the response.
Yes,Phase 1&2 are the same length,
What i mean was this......
In past times,Skills such as FIBUA would have been over a few weeks,in the current enviroment these drills are been cut in order for extra skills needed to deploy straight into theatre.
So,....if the length of the course is the same!but the sylibus involves more! dose it produce a more rounded soldier??
Right, so you're talking about pre-deployment training. You said in your first post "When i was in training over 12 years ago", which led me to believe that was the training you were referring to.
 
#14
Horses for courses. Could the squaddies of today handle being unnoticeable in a German wood c/w a crate of beer (each) while a major exercise - training in how to run away - is progressing all around them? I think they should ponder that good and hard.

Anyway, in the words of one of todays greatest leaders "I think we agree, the past is over."
 
#16
Adult trg coy in the 1970's and 80 was about 18 to 22 weeks depending upon depot etc. You could then be sent to a Bn on ops with a whole 2 weeks NIRRT. So current optag seems to be a bargain really!
To clarify my earlier post, I think the current OPTAG package is very good, given the limited resources of the training teams.

What I think is lacking is in the day-to-day training in units not warned off for operations - see all the threads on marksmanship!
 
#18
The basic soldier hasn't changed IMHO. However, the means of getting them to that stage has had to be altered, probably to accomodate the different expectations of todays troops. The nature and size of todays military, mean that they have to work with less bods overall, and their focus is geared solely toward operations. Were we better than the boys and girls today? I think the people today just have a different outlook than we did, so it would be wrong to judge their abilities based on that. Save for our role in Ulster, we only had sporadic jaunts away from the training establishments, where we could put into practice our training. This lot today seem to be working in reverse, but doing it with as much skill and dedication as we ever did. So i reiterate, the stuff that makes a soldier of any era has never really changed, and hopefully never will!
 
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stevieni22

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#19
Training is actually 2 weeks longer than what it was 12 years ago its 26 weeks now when 12 years ago an Inf soldier would have done 12 weeks phase 1 and 12 weeks at ITC Catterick so the OP dosn't really know what he is on about.Plus 12 years ago when we did NITAT it was about 3 weeks long with 2-3 weeks in camp first now we have PDT for 6-9 months before we deploy, get it right and in my opinion soldiers now are just the same only difference is they are combat hardened now.
 

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