Is the sentancing system 'too soft'?

#4
I love how he can't have a cat but he can quite legally be trusted with kids. You couldn't make it up!
 
#5
**** off, fatty.
Gosh but I am taken aback at the eloquence of your argument and the sincerity in which it was delivered.

I cannot help but remember 'If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names'.
 
#6
This is Britain. Vile cruelty meted on a defenceless animal is consider far less of a danger to society than possibly encouraging someone else somewhere to maybe go out and possibly cause a bit of damage to inanimate property.

Priorities, people. Priorities.
 
#7
I'll say it is too soft. Commit a crime, get caught, get sent to a holiday camp for a few years which has tv piped into the rooms, get free courses, get good food, a nice warm place to saty, get paid, leave after a few years and get loads of benefits. If you are an immigrant that has killed someone, when you leave you get to stay in the country, get a council house straight away and live happily ever after on benefits.
 
#8
Sentencing is to soft and prison serves little purpose other than to temporarily (and expensively) remove offenders from the community.

For what it's worth, 'people' who deliberately torture animals should be looking at the same sentences as those who torture humans. Apart from being utterly vile, they are sadistic time bombs who could easily transfer their aggression to children or vulnerable adults.
 
#9
Mrs B has worked on the Legal side of child protection; as soon as she saw this she said that she hoped that Social Services would be keeping an eye on the child. Mrs B. reckons that most of the very worst offenders that she has known of have started off in a similar manner
 
#10
What type of preparation do you think he used and could he recommend a good sauce for the meat. I think that his kids should be pretty safe unless under 3 months because i couldnt get my kids in the microwave.
 
#12
Bearing in mind that the 'Facebook 2' got 4 years each, do you honestly think that a suspended sentence/curfew and ban on ever owning another animal is enough for this piece of low life scum?

Cat survives being cooked in microwave by thug Stephen Stacey | Mail Online
The Court will sentence within the sentencing guidelines. If the maximum sentence is quite low then they cannot go above it. I consider what was done deplorable and a pointer to a very sick mind. However you ask if it is worse than incitement to riot? I'm afraid I hold human life far more sacrosanct than animal life.
 
#13
I work as a PCO am ex Army, everyone involved in the riots is going to prison, the low life
other custodys do a lot more personal damage and get a lower sentance, we do need more prison places.
 
#15
Its not the lenght of sentence thats the problem, its the ******* cushy lifestyle when they get there that is.

I know a bloke who got 14 years for murder. In prison he has some good mates, they play snooker/pool, 5 a side football, cards, work out in the gym everyday.......... in his cell he has a playstation, sky tv so he can watch the football etc. To top it all off, the masses of debt he had before he was sentenced has been wiped out, hes stopped smoking, lost masses of weight, got his body in good shape and hes studying for a degree.

Apart from not being able to shag women, thats a better ******* lifestyle than I have. Where is the fear factor for criminals, if thats what they have to look forward to in prison? Take away all the luxurys, make them work there arse off day in and day out, get the chain gangs out working in the community etc and problem solved.
 
#16
Its not the lenght of sentence thats the problem, its the ******* cushy lifestyle when they get there that is.

I know a bloke who got 14 years for murder. In prison he has some good mates, they play snooker/pool, 5 a side football, cards, work out in the gym everyday.......... in his cell he has a playstation, sky tv so he can watch the football etc. To top it all off, the masses of debt he had before he was sentenced has been wiped out, hes stopped smoking, lost masses of weight, got his body in good shape and hes studying for a degree.

Apart from not being able to shag women, thats a better ******* lifestyle than I have. Where is the fear factor for criminals, if thats what they have to look forward to in prison? Take away all the luxurys, make them work there arse off day in and day out, get the chain gangs out working in the community etc and problem solved.
Sounds like this bloke is well on his way to becoming rehabilitated and might even leave prison to be a useful member of society which is all you can hope for from a prison.
It might sound like he's having a cushy life but he has no freedom. He can't come on an internet forum and have a rant if he wants, he can't nip down the pub with his mates, go to the footy. He can't do anything without permission from the guards.
You can't place to high a price on freedom and the loss of it will be deeply felt, I'm sure. The loss of freedom is the punishment, the aim of prison is to rehabilitate.
 
#17
Sounds like this bloke is well on his way to becoming rehabilitated and might even leave prison to be a useful member of society which is all you can hope for from a prison.
It might sound like he's having a cushy life but he has no freedom. He can't come on an internet forum and have a rant if he wants, he can't nip down the pub with his mates, go to the footy. He can't do anything without permission from the guards.
You can't place to high a price on freedom and the loss of it will be deeply felt, I'm sure. The loss of freedom is the punishment, the aim of prison is to rehabilitate.
So. Much. Fail.:shock:

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If "loss of freedom" was an effective punishment, re-offending rates would not be so high. If HMP's rehabilitated the criminals incarcerated in them, re-offending rates would. Not. Be. So. High.

If criminals feared the "loss of freedom", we would not have seen the worst riots in a generation. Riots that cost millions of pounds worth of damage, injured over a hundred police officers(including two who were nearly killed in an attempted hit and run)and cost the lives of three innocent people. To say nothing of international humiliation and a substantial percentage of the law abiding public losing all faith in the ability of the police to protect them.

Sorry, but we've tried it your way; hug-the-hooidie, rehabilitate through compassion, treat them like civilized people and they'll behave like civilized people. It. Does'nt. Work.:pissedoff: The criminals see compassion as weakness. They are laughing at people like you, and the system you represent. And they are right to do so. Because breaking the law no longer carries any meaningful consequences.

One more time for the hard of thinking: Compassion does'nt work. Rehabilitation does'nt work. Harsh punishments do ******* work. Make the HMP's so brutal and degrading that the few who come out alive would commit suicide before they commit another crime. Anti-social behaviour? Take the skin of their backs with a birch and see how many come back for a re-match.
 
#18
Sounds like this bloke is well on his way to becoming rehabilitated and might even leave prison to be a useful member of society which is all you can hope for from a prison.
It might sound like he's having a cushy life but he has no freedom. He can't come on an internet forum and have a rant if he wants, he can't nip down the pub with his mates, go to the footy. He can't do anything without permission from the guards.
You can't place to high a price on freedom and the loss of it will be deeply felt, I'm sure. The loss of freedom is the punishment, the aim of prison is to rehabilitate.
In all honesty mate, he didnt actually commit the murder and doesnt require rehabilitation but thats another story. I do however get where your coming from with that and to an extent I agree.

I suppose in the most basic of terms (and a pretty fucked up way of explaining it, but hey its monday) its like my daughter being badly behaved and me punishing her. "Right ***** you go to your room right now and stay there until you learn to behave yourself.................. and while your there you can play with your toys, watch a DVD, have a go on that new playstation game I bought you and here is a wee bar of chocolate to take with you".

A child isnt going to learn from that so why would an adult prisoner?
 
#19
So. Much. Fail.:shock:



If "loss of freedom" was an effective punishment, re-offending rates would not be so high. If HMP's rehabilitated the criminals incarcerated in them, re-offending rates would no be so high.

I didn't say that prisons rehabilitated all offenders, what I said was that the guy mentioned seemed to be turning his life around which is what should be happening in a prison.

If criminals feared the "loss of freedom", we would not have seen the worst riots in a generation. Riots that cost millions of pounds worth of damage, injured over a hundred police officers(including two who were nearly killed in an attempted hit and run)and cost the lives of three innocent people. To say nothing of international humiliation and a substantial percentage of the law abiding public losing all faith in the ability of the police to protect them.

I doubt that a harsh prison routine would have made the slightest difference to any of the rioters. I doubt any of them even stopped to consider the possible outcome of their actions. Since there are riots in countries that have very harsh prison regimes (and indeed where rioters are shot by the police/army) what makes you think that a harsher regime would have deterred many of them?

Sorry, but we've tried it your way; hug-the-hooidie, rehabilitate through compassion, treat them like civilized people and they'll behave like civilized people. It. Does'nt. Work.:pissedoff: The criminals see compassion as weakness. They are laughing at people like you, and the system you represent. And they are right to do so. Because breaking the law no longer carries any meaningful consequences.

What is my way? You haven't even bothered to ask what my way might be you just make assumptions based on my previous post. You have no idea what I represent.
Being locked up for a number of years is a meaningful consequence, I certainly wouldn't like to be locked up, would you? I don't think prisoners should have a life of luxury but i do feel that they should be able to educate themselves or be educated.
I would also have three degrees of being a prisoner starting off initially on a fairly austere regime and then they would have to earn extra privileges whilst also losing them if they didn't match up.



One more time for the hard of thinking: Compassion does'nt work. Rehabilitation does'nt work. Harsh punishments do ******* work. Make the HMP's so brutal and degrading that the few who come out alive would commit suicide before they commit another crime. Anti-social behaviour? Take the skin of their backs with a birch and see how many come back for a re-match.

Why not just execute anyone that commits any sort of offence? There are still re-offenders with even the most brutal of regimes. Clearly brutality alone will not stop the determined criminal and will have no effect on the person who doesn't stop to consider the possible outcome of their crimes.
 
#20
Why not just execute anyone that commits any sort of offence? There are still re-offenders with even the most brutal of regimes. Clearly brutality alone will not stop the determined criminal and will have no effect on the person who doesn't stop to consider the possible outcome of their crimes.
A direct quote from one of the looters, "We're here because the police can't do anything to stop us!" Scum no longer fear the consequences of their actions because for all intents and purposes, there are no consequences. Senior police, judges, politicians, HMP's - none of them are fit for purpose. None of them protect the law abiding tax payer who pays their inflated salaries. We need root and branch reform.

You are correct; no matter how harsh the regime, there will always be those who offend. I can promise you that the harsher the regime, the fewer the numbers of re-offenders.

So: I've laid out my views and ideas. Your turn. Tell me how you'd fix "Broken Britain."
 

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