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Is the Schengen Agreement finished?

Auld-Yin

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#1
Denmark has now unilaterlally said that it will no longer agree to the Schengen Agreement and will re-impose border controls.

France 24 report

Denmark is getting fed up with illegal people and drug movements and is going to bring back border control. EU spokesmen getting their knickers in a twist :
"We would like to make it quite clear that the [European] Commission cannot accept and will not accept actions that are a step backward from the treaty on the European Union as regards free movement of goods and persons across internal borders," a Commission spokesman told a regular briefing on Thursday.
So the EU is telling a sovereign country what they can or cannot do. Time to get out of the EU?
 
#4
I wonder how they'll police their borders, now that most countries in the Schengen area no longer even have any fences or physical barriers - or the border guards to police them?
 
#9
Probably the same way they used to do it.
IIRC most border crossing points are still in existence although not manned, and were usable on occasions whenever the countries wished to put controls in. I recall the border between Germany and Holland being subject to customs and passport control on a number of occasions in the last 15 years.
 
#10
Whilst in the eyes of the do-gooders the open borders policy is a good thing, it has some very real issues: the free movement of the criminal fraternity, terrorists, illegal aliens and products. As for Denmark being made to look a pariah by the faceless, gravy train passengers in Bruxelles, they are too late - they have missed the bus because they are blind!! Many countries are already operating selective border controls, it is happening at Biriatou, Le Pertus & Bourg Madame (Franco-Spanish Border), Grimaldi, Frejus & Blanc Tunnels (Franco-Italian Border) and Lugarno (Swiss-Italian Border), so this is nothing new. Likewise our border control police are now boarding trains from Italy to check documentation and the same at our seaport along the channel coast. As for setting up further border controls, it is just a matter of manpower, most if not all of the infrastructure is already in place. The upside of border control is that it will reduce unemployment, so in one way it is a good thing. Here in Brittany we have seen an upsurge in requests for our papers by the authorities, no problem we all carry our ID in our purses and wallets, we have nothing to fear.

Should the agreement be torn up and I for one think it should, it will impose tighter controls on immigration, which is a good thing. Hopefully the immigrant camps along our channel coast will disappear and it will return some of the lost sovereignty we have all lost to the snuffle pigs in Bruxelles, Strasbourg & The Hague.

No I am NOT a racist Breton bitch, I believe that every nation should have responsibility for its borders, it should not be in the hands of faceless, unelected bureaucrats in Ivory Towers.
 
#11
The beginning of the end...

Like what Emsav says border control is already operating on the QT so good on Denmark to publicly state its intentions of ripping up the Agreement. If it doesn't work or is bad for a member state, it needs to be re-examined.
 
#12
IIRC most border crossing points are still in existence although not manned, and were usable on occasions whenever the countries wished to put controls in. I recall the border between Germany and Holland being subject to customs and passport control on a number of occasions in the last 15 years.
That's exactly the case. Driving all over Europe, the points are still there. Easy to stick the guys back in them, and get them to pull over vehicles.
 
#13
Good on Denmark.

Asylum seekers(read illegal immigrants,criminals,benefit scroungers and terrorists) need to be kept out of all of Europe and the maximum number of internal checks imposed to hinder the entry and movement of these scum to and within Europe is a good thing.
 
#15
IIRC most border crossing points are still in existence although not manned, and were usable on occasions whenever the countries wished to put controls in. I recall the border between Germany and Holland being subject to customs and passport control on a number of occasions in the last 15 years.
I don't know which Europe you're thinking of, but the one where I am that is not so. On the Autobahn crossings a lot of customs posts are still active, eg near Aachen, but the smaller ones have been pulled down years ago eg Vlodrop near Heinsberg. Mobile checks are still in force, but there is neither the man power nor the money to put up and man customs posts. The same deal applies to the Belgium/French border and the Belgium/Netherlands border.
 
#16
Whilst in the eyes of the do-gooders the open borders policy is a good thing, it has some very real issues: the free movement of the criminal fraternity, terrorists, illegal aliens and products. As for Denmark being made to look a pariah by the faceless, gravy train passengers in Bruxelles, they are too late - they have missed the bus because they are blind!! Many countries are already operating selective border controls, it is happening at Biriatou, Le Pertus & Bourg Madame (Franco-Spanish Border), Grimaldi, Frejus & Blanc Tunnels (Franco-Italian Border) and Lugarno (Swiss-Italian Border), so this is nothing new. Likewise our border control police are now boarding trains from Italy to check documentation and the same at our seaport along the channel coast. As for setting up further border controls, it is just a matter of manpower, most if not all of the infrastructure is already in place. The upside of border control is that it will reduce unemployment, so in one way it is a good thing. Here in Brittany we have seen an upsurge in requests for our papers by the authorities, no problem we all carry our ID in our purses and wallets, we have nothing to fear.

Should the agreement be torn up and I for one think it should, it will impose tighter controls on immigration, which is a good thing. Hopefully the immigrant camps along our channel coast will disappear and it will return some of the lost sovereignty we have all lost to the snuffle pigs in Bruxelles, Strasbourg & The Hague.

No I am NOT a racist Breton bitch, I believe that every nation should have responsibility for its borders, it should not be in the hands of faceless, unelected bureaucrats in Ivory Towers.
Sorry Emsav, but you are miles off track. The borders in western Europe are almost as watertight as a sieve and have been for decades. Short of putting up the IGB all over Europe there is no chance of stopping terrorists, criminals and illegal aliens. I remember the panic that gripped the German Authorities following the Baader-Meinhoff activities in the 70s. Whilst cars queued up for miles to get over the German border in both directions because of the intensive controls, I flew over no problem at all. Then there were the so-called Schleichwege, thousands of tracks, paths and minor roads with either no controls or only part time checks. As for increasing employment, how? Recruiting more customs officers and policemen? Super, most countries are "financially embarrassed", the last thing they need are thousands of expensive civil servants and policemen.

I do however agree with you on your last point, you are not racist. On a much lighter point maybe you need controls along the Brittany/French border, keep out all those Frenchmen, but allow me in!
 
#17
Many are thinking that if Denmark withdraws from this agreement it is going to be a heavy financial cost. They are very wrong, Denmark is a peninsula with a total border with Germany of around 60 kilometres, in which there are only five major road border crossing points and one railway line. So the financial burden is minimal, an extra 200 - 300 police at most, as for the infrastructure - most of it is already in place, just needs refurbishing and equipping - an easy problem for the Danes to solve without crashing the economy. Obviously they have already done their sums otherwise they would not have raised the spectre of withdrawal.

Likewise it would not surprise me in the least if the Spanish followed suit very soon after as the Franco/Spanish border is only 440 kilometres 70% of which is inhospitable mountainous terrain. Again there are a limited number of substantial crossing points, probably less than 30, even less in the winter months, so the Spanish would not have too much of a financial problem.

As to whether the agreement will be scrapped is a moot point, however the Danes are going ahead with border checks as of midnight tonight on its borders with Sweden and Germany, citing rising crime concerns. Maybe some would care to read Jens-Peter Bonde's thesis on the subject. There again some might like to read the EU briefing issued on 13th May 2011 where the German, Austrian and Czech governments stated their concerns over outside interference with their border security, saying "Border security is a national issue, not one for the EU." Similarly a recent Franco-Italian row over the fate of Tunisian migrants led both countries to call on the European Commission to make it easier to re-instate border checks. Needless to say the EU home affairs commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom aka 'Censilia' is in somewhat of a tizzy, saying she will not allow the agreement to collapse. Easier said than done, it only needs one country in the centre of Europe to withdraw and the agreement collapses.

I for one will be watching with interest.

Drlligaf: I thank you for your constructive and salient points. On the lighter side you are always welcome in my homeland - just remember to bring your passport and travel direct via St.Malou or Rosco. Do not want you being molested by those terrible Frenchmen - please smile!!
 
#18
I recall the border between Germany and Holland being subject to customs and passport control on a number of occasions in the last 15 years.
I think various countries have unofficially re-established their borders with Holland at times due to the drug problem in that country. Contrary to what the "enlightened" will tell you, The Netherlands isn't all about chilled out hippies dropping in to the local coffee shop for a shmoke and a pancake.

This whole issue has been caused by the Italians giving free train tickets and visas to French speaking refugees from North Africa to get them out of Italy and into France. It's the straw that broke the camel's back. The impending tsunami of refugees arriving in southern Europe due to the "Arab spring" is forcing a "who's the daddy?" showdown between Europe and its constituent governments. I hope it's the first of many.
 
#19
'Is the Schengen Agreement Finished' - like all else emanating from the European Soviet Union, if the French don't like the 'orders', they simply ignore them. Not only France picks and chooses which diktats to obey. When 'fined' the French merely omit to pay.

It is only in the UK that every single order emanating from Brussels is obeyed.

Additionally, the UK employs more state employees to ENFORCE the laws dreamt up by the legions of unaccountable and unsackable foreign twerps who gorge on huge salaries and pocket gigantic unaudited expenses.

Let us hope and pray that this monstrous edifice of undemocratic detritus will shortly implode upon itself and allow us, and others, once more to rule and govern ourselves.
 

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#20
'Is the Schengen Agreement Finished' - like all else emanating from the European Soviet Union, if the French don't like the 'orders', they simply ignore them. Not only France picks and chooses which diktats to obey. When 'fined' the French merely omit to pay.

It is only in the UK that every single order emanating from Brussels is obeyed.

Additionally, the UK employs more state employees to ENFORCE the laws dreamt up by the legions of unaccountable and unsackable foreign twerps who gorge on huge salaries and pocket gigantic unaudited expenses.

Let us hope and pray that this monstrous edifice of undemocratic detritus will shortly implode upon itself and allow us, and others, once more to rule and govern ourselves.
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Get yourself a massive salary and an expense account before you give yourself a hernia.... ;-)

IIRC the Schengen agreement has quite a few optional causes and possibilities for short term measures without contravening law.
 

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