Is the Conservative Party in the process of destroying itself.

#1
In light of the failure of the Government, led by the Conservative party, to:-

1) manage to negotiate successful terms for a withdrawal from the EU.

2) manage to maintain cohesion within its own ranks.

3) for its leader to either step down, or, for a new leader be put in place to deliver the mandate of the electorate...

has resulted in the latest polls overwhelmingly showing that the Brexit party is punishing both Conservative and Labour parties. However it increasingly seems that it is the defection of disappointed Conservative voters has damaged the Conservative Part the most.

A very strong feeling of betrayal would seem to be resulting in the destruction of a major political party.
 

Wordsmith

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#2
You can now see why Call Me Dave had to offer a referendum as a manifesto commitment in order to win the 2005 GE. Had he not done so, he would have lost enough votes to UKIP to prevent him getting an overall majority.

The Brexit Party appear to be UKIP on steroids (and more mainstream).

Wordsmith
 
#3
Destroying? Destroyed would be more apt. We are witnessing a watershed in UK politics and the Tories (and to an extent Labour) have completely misread the general public's mood. There will be blood (not literally) on the streets soon.
 
#4
I gave up on the Tories when May announced her Chequers agreement, and will never vote for them again. Destroyed my ballot at the local elections recently and the Euro Elections the vote is for the Brexit Party. It is unlikely that I will vote at the next general election, as I live in a solid Labour constituency, and a vote for Conservative is a wasted effort. I'll be voting independent from now on.
 

Daxx

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#5
I tend to GE vote for the candidate I most believe will do the best for the constituency. However, due to the current political fiasco, I plan to vote for the best non mainstream candidate instead. I believe I am not alone in this view.
 
#6
As chippy as he is, Peter Hitchens has been warning about this for at least a decade. I actually remember reading it and dismissing it, however, he is being proven correct. Essentially what he says is that they (the Cons) don't offer enough of a distinction anymore to anyone else, ergo making themselves redundant. They are also absolutely shit scared of the left.
 
#7
Is the Conservative Party in the process of destroying itself.
One can only hope so! It needs to go. What rises phoenix-like from the ashes is anyone's guess, though.

One thing's for sure; without a mass head-wobble amongst the senior players it will be just as spineless and venal and self-interested as it's predecessor - and the other main parties - and, thanks to the frothing Twitterati, vocal single-issue minorities and "Generation Snowflake and the general belief amongst politicians that it's not about running the country but chasing popularity and favourable headlines, it will in no way resemble the strong, stiff-spined and decisive party of yesteryear.[/quote]
 
#8
The Tories have lost my vote whilst May (and her unelected SPADs) are in the driving seat.
When she inevitably gets the boot, I’m keeping my options open until after the bloodbath (sorry, leadership campaign) to see who ends up holding the shit sandwich - and if I hear the term ‘dream team’ again, to describe any of these tossers, I’ll probably have an aneurism!
 
#9
Mrs May is driving people away from the Tory's over her inability to deliver Brexit.
All the negotiations should have started early 2018 with month's before we should have left on March 29th.
But who takes over the poisoned cup of brexit doom, Boris waiting for a coup once its all signed off.
Why take the 5hitty stick now and ruin you career, Mrs May is a spent force as PM & an MP.
 

Bagl0ck

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#10
It's certainly on the ropes. No one will really know until the next general election.

It's fine for the brexit party to clean up at the euros.

General elections turn out differently
 
#11
We have a Conservative party?


I was only aware of Labour, the Liberals, and the Liberal-Socialists. In fact, I thought they were just three marketing brands of the same statist single party.
 
#12
We have a Conservative party?


I was only aware of Labour, the Liberals, and the Liberal-Socialists. In fact, I thought they were just three marketing brands of the same statist single party.
Exactly. Consigned themselves to irrelevancy and it's older, nastier relative, contempt.
 
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Bagl0ck

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#13
We have a Conservative party?


I was only aware of Labour, the Liberals, and the Liberal-Socialists. In fact, I thought they were just three marketing brands of the same statist single party.
The same liberal socialists that have been running down the military, police force and public services for a decade?
 
#14
I voted Conservative at every GE from 1979 to 2010.
At that point, the Conservative Party had abandoned conservatism & moved so far left it was sharing space with Blairite Labour.
It's moved further left since & is now a neo-liberal joke.
My conservative beliefs haven't changed much over the years but the party masquerading under the name has abandoned theirs.
In 2010 & 2015, I voted UKIP, then voted Conservative again in 2017 (twice, as we had a by election when the oily Jamie Reid left to be rewarded for his many years shafting the people of Copeland, followed by May's disastrous GE).
I once more voted Conservative in both, as their candidate here was Trudy Harrison, a local & now very effective constituency MP with whom I've corresponded on numerous matters.
No more though, as no matter how good an MP she is, I'll not give my vote to a party who consider May fit to hold any office above that of toilet attendant.

They're no more conservative than Corbyn is.
 
#16
We have a Conservative party?


I was only aware of Labour, the Liberals, and the Liberal-Socialists. In fact, I thought they were just three marketing brands of the same statist single party.
Absolutely spot on.
 
#17
The Cons are currently fatally holed below the waterline, the grass root level associations are at odds with many of the elected MPs in Westminster, and CCHQ (The Conservative mother ship) are trying to call the shots.
If the activists aren't listened too then they will vote with their feet and not support local elections or events, which was seen recently on a grand scale recently.
The betrayal by Anna Soubry and Heidi Alexander for example has been the last straw. When the Principal Patrons (the ones with the cash) pull the plug on funding then the Party machine starts to falter, so bankruptcy is always a possibility if TM continues to push on!
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
As a political party, you need to start from strong principles. The Tory party's used to be:
  1. Sensible stewardship of the nation's finances
  2. Keeping the size of the state to reasonable limits
  3. A strong defence policy
  4. Strong policing and a focus on law and order
  5. Standing up for the UK's interests in the world.
You then needed to be able to articulate those principles and have a reasonable framework for delivering them. Finally, you needed competent ministers to deliver them.

Then you needed to come up with (and enact) a manifest that would get at least 40% of the population to vote for you. Which in turn meant understanding who your voter base was and coming up with a set of policies that appealed to them.

The Tories are ticking none of the above boxes, which is why their vote is disappearing faster than a snowball in a heat wave.

Wordsmith
 
#19
You Brits have a conservative political party?? Nonsense you are all just 50 shades of Liberal. IF you had a true Conservative party Brexit would have been done and over with by March, and China would not be your new besties.

Joke of the day this is!
 
#20
It is madness from Mrs May to have a policy which 70% of your voters support, and then to try not to deliver the policy while, at the same time, telling people you are trying to deliver it, despite it being bloody obvious you are not. It offends people on a few levels:
1. Being lied to for two plus years;
2. The policy not being delivered; and,
3. Being lied to now about why the policy is not being delivered.
You cannot abandon your key, popular (with your natural supporters) policy and expect to get elected. While CMD appealed to the centre, he kept his right wing mainly on side. May has alienated her core support but gained no new support elsewhere. She's a stubborn idiot. Her MPs are, with some exceptions, weak idiots for not acting.
The potential ray of hope for the Tories are those who will vote Tory to stop Corbyn. Is that now enough?
 

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