Is the class system still alive in Britain?

#1
Hello all, I recently watched the John Prescot: The class system and me (or somthing like that) on the BBC and I was surprised to see such strong views on class.

I have to say that I grew up in Cyprus where there are no class systems (Cyprus has never had its own Monarchy and the like), and although I have been living in the UK for 3 years now, I was completely oblivious to the fact that there is a 'class' system - I just thought it was as simple as there are poor people and rich people and all sorts in between.

So here I pose a few questions to those who grew up here and know the country a lot better than I do:

Does the class system still exist?
If it does, does it still exist with the same structure? (i.e. is it still about what group of people you were born into, or is it more about money or power or behaviour and attitude?)
Can a person move between different class 'strata'?
Or is it all just a load of nonesense?

It would be very interesting to find out what you guys think, and also very interesting to see if there is a difference in oppinion between the squaddies and the officers!

Enjoy the debate :D
 
#3
Conventional wisdom holds that the British upper class has always been full of closeted homosexuals so perhaps 'gaylad'...
 
#4
I think class is a choice more than luck/birthright. If a young kid is dragged up on a council estate by a family on benefits, and he decides to make a go of his life, he can. Likewise a child from a middle/upper class family could decend into drugs and be disowned by the family, ending up in a council flat/cardboard box with a nice collection of syringes. (crude examples, I know.)

Money will always be a contributing factor, as will family, social circles, choice of employment, etc, but an individual's state of mind is what ultimately defines him/her.
 
#5
Virgil said:
Conventional wisdom holds that the British upper class has always been full of closeted homosexuals so perhaps 'gaylad'...
Trust me mate I am hardly upper class....
 
#6
IMHO the class system became more noticeable during the Victorian era. The industrial revolution brought about rail travel and modernisation and with it the obvious North/South divide and the have/have nots.

During the 20th century there were the three distinguishable classes of upper, middle and lower and with the invention of radio, media and then television soon everyone knew how everyone else lived and behaved and undoubtably fell into their place in society.

I think over the past 20-30 years the make up of three classes has changed. Before even the lower/working class people had high moral standards, were generally church going and community spirited. This class frowned upon anti social behaviour of its day. However, in todays society there seems to have grown a fourth class, that of underclass. This underclass are those that are a strain on society in so many ways and prove that the working class remains the backbone of British society and the one to be most proud of.

The working and middle classes sees to have merged somewhat due to those who have prospered in the housing market. This would have been impossible 40 years ago. These people are middle England, now live in well off houses and drive fancy cars. Does this make them middle-upper class? I don't think so. I think what makes someone a class person is a person of dignity and conduct. While money does not buy class it can provide a similar lifestyle. I've known many officers who are 'rough around the edges' and many juniors and seniors who have very high standards.

I give you an example. Lewis Hamilton is working class and has impecable behaviour. Lord Mandelson (and many in Government) are undoubtably upper class but are liars and crooks.

OK, bullshite over.
 
#7
Could you oiks keep it down? I'm trying to watch the US election whilst eating a caviar sandwich.
 
#10
Airfix said:
I fcuking hope so!!!
Oh God yet another bloody poor person chopsing off.
 
#11
stacker1 said:
Airfix said:
I fcuking hope so!!!
Oh God yet another bloody poor person chopsing off.
Actual, I ain't poor, and what I sad to the question was in the afirmitive not the negative you iliterate oik (ok, my spelling is crap but the vocab is defo upper middle class!!!)... :roll:
 
#12
Airfix said:
stacker1 said:
Airfix said:
I fcuking hope so!!!
Oh God yet another bloody poor person chopsing off.
Actual, I ain't poor, and what I sad to the question was in the afirmitive not the negative you iliterate oik (ok, my spelling is crap but the vocab is defo upper middle class!!!)... :roll:
Have you been drinking before posting? (Probably diamond white you low born oaf)
 
#13
stacker1 said:
Airfix said:
stacker1 said:
Airfix said:
I fcuking hope so!!!
Oh God yet another bloody poor person chopsing off.
Actual, I ain't poor, and what I sad to the question was in the afirmitive not the negative you iliterate oik (ok, my spelling is crap but the vocab is defo upper middle class!!!)... :roll:
Have you been drinking before posting? (Probably diamond white you low born oaf)
I'm more a Buckie sort of guy, you can do more damage with their empty bottles, if only to yourself and the cats ring piece!!! :wink:
 
#14
Airfix said:
stacker1 said:
Airfix said:
stacker1 said:
Airfix said:
I fcuking hope so!!!
Oh God yet another bloody poor person chopsing off.
Actual, I ain't poor, and what I sad to the question was in the afirmitive not the negative you iliterate oik (ok, my spelling is crap but the vocab is defo upper middle class!!!)... :roll:
Have you been drinking before posting? (Probably diamond white you low born oaf)
I'm more a Buckie sort of guy, you can do more damage with their empty bottles, if only to yourself and the cats ring piece!!! :wink:
I must have a word with the good and bad COs to try and keep your sort out of ARRSE, You don't have the decorum to mix with us sophis... sopfi... sofitica... us top blokes.
 
#16
I only saw one bit of Prescott's idiotic programme where he was talking to a foul mouther chav ladette...

The Bloated Bulumic: "what class do you think you are?"

Chav Slapper: "Me, am middle class, me."

BB: "you see there, I would have thought you were working class."

CS: "Nah, ah dun work."

About summed it all up.
 
#19
sniper_bob said:
I only saw one bit of Prescott's idiotic programme where he was talking to a foul mouther chav ladette...

The Bloated Bulumic: "what class do you think you are?"

Chav Slapper: "Me, am middle class, me."

BB: "you see there, I would have thought you were working class."

CS: "Nah, ah dun work."

About summed it all up.
As was enjoyed again on 'Have I got news for you'!!


TwoJags may have started in the working class band and as a result of his progress has become the most evenly balanced chap by having a half ton chip on each shoulder. He is completely out of touch and had the gall to berate the man who suggested the Government might get all the lazy working class unemployed back to work (as his /our taxes were paying for it). This was shortly after the tub interviewed that pleasant man with 9 kids and couldn't read or write. Not worked since he left school.
Blundergut also then had a go at a group of students on scholarships at Rugby for 'learning to speak proper' and losing their accents. 'Course, the large testicle wouldn't dream of doing such a thing himself.

However, I for one was immensely pleased to see Prescott 'lamp' the bloke who threw an egg at him... just as pleased to see a man throw an egg at Prescott.

"7% of privately educated people go on to take around 80% of the top jobs" says slim. So? I don't think the father of nine would fit the bill. The top people in the Banking Industry have earned every.... erm
 
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