Is Sauce for the Goose [i]really[/i] Sauce for the Gander?

#1
I am no fan of this man or his party........I do share some points of view though. I wonder how close to the truth his (Griffins) coments were when he claimed his arrest was Politically motivated? It took several years for a 'Race Hate Crime' to be recognised in the case of Mr Hamza, yet merely months for the same to be said of Mr Griffins..........so whens the election again?

Take from today's Telegraph

BNP leader bailed after racial incitement arrest
(Filed: 14/12/2004)

Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party, has been released on bail after his arrest in connection with an investigation into inciting racial hatred.

It follows a television documentary exposing the extent of alleged racism in the organisation.


Nick Griffin
Earlier it was revealed that the party's founding chairman John Tyndall had been held on Sunday.

The 70-year-old from Brighton was arrested on suspicion of the same offence following a speech he made in Burnley in March, a BNP spokesman said.

Parts of the speech were covertly filmed and shown in a BBC programme.

West Yorkshire Police said that as part of the same investigation three Bradford men, aged 29, 33 and 23, have been charged with racially aggravated intentional harassment.

The three men will appear at Leeds Magistrates' Court on Thursday.

Mr Griffin, 45, was arrested by West Yorkshire Police on suspicion of incitement to commit racial hatred as part of an investigation into the BBC programme Secret Agent.

Father-of-four Mr Griffin has been chairman of the BNP since 1999.

A BNP spokesman said: "At 0700 four non-uniformed police officers awoke the Griffin household from their sleep at their family farmhouse in mid-Wales.

"He is believed to have been arrested on suspicion of incitement to commit racial hatred."

The documentary, screened in July, featured covertly-filmed footage showing BNP activists allegedly confessing to race-hate crimes and party leader Mr Griffin condemning Islam as a "vicious, wicked faith".

Twelve people have been arrested in connection with the programme.
Sky News also ran a piece as a main headline...........yet they were continually lax enough to allow the number plate of the vehicle that took Griffin away to be shown; surely he deserves the right to protection of his privacy much the same as Beckham? Even more so after the religeously and racially motivated murders in Holland?
 
#2
Letterwritingman said:
I am no fan of this man or his party........I do share some points of view though. I wonder how close to the truth his (Griffins) coments were when he claimed his arrest was Politically motivated? It took several years for a 'Race Hate Crime' to be recognised in the case of Mr Hamza, yet merely months for the same to be said of Mr Griffins..........so whens the election again?

Take from today's Telegraph

BNP leader bailed after racial incitement arrest
(Filed: 14/12/2004)

Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party, has been released on bail after his arrest in connection with an investigation into inciting racial hatred.

It follows a television documentary exposing the extent of alleged racism in the organisation.


Nick Griffin
Earlier it was revealed that the party's founding chairman John Tyndall had been held on Sunday.

The 70-year-old from Brighton was arrested on suspicion of the same offence following a speech he made in Burnley in March, a BNP spokesman said.

Parts of the speech were covertly filmed and shown in a BBC programme.

West Yorkshire Police said that as part of the same investigation three Bradford men, aged 29, 33 and 23, have been charged with racially aggravated intentional harassment.

The three men will appear at Leeds Magistrates' Court on Thursday.

Mr Griffin, 45, was arrested by West Yorkshire Police on suspicion of incitement to commit racial hatred as part of an investigation into the BBC programme Secret Agent.

Father-of-four Mr Griffin has been chairman of the BNP since 1999.

A BNP spokesman said: "At 0700 four non-uniformed police officers awoke the Griffin household from their sleep at their family farmhouse in mid-Wales.

"He is believed to have been arrested on suspicion of incitement to commit racial hatred."

The documentary, screened in July, featured covertly-filmed footage showing BNP activists allegedly confessing to race-hate crimes and party leader Mr Griffin condemning Islam as a "vicious, wicked faith".

Twelve people have been arrested in connection with the programme.
Sky News also ran a piece as a main headline...........yet they were continually lax enough to allow the number plate of the vehicle that took Griffin away to be shown; surely he deserves the right to protection of his privacy much the same as Beckham? Even more so after the religeously and racially motivated murders in Holland?
But how long has he been able to sprout his claptrap rubbish? Its painfully obvious what the party's mainpoint is - yet this group and some splinter groups of it (IMO) have been going on for years without serious threat of arrest/punishment.
 
#3
bloody hell!!

How long does it take to get someone like him into court!

The video was filmed in march and thats hm just getting nicked? 8O

thats a long bloody wait for the rozzers to get off their seats at dunkin donuts!!

agent smith
 
#4
Both Points are valid....................

But mine own also hold true.................if Hamza is only now being charged with 'Incitement' crimes having preached the same under the noses of the Met Police officers there to protect his right of free speech; why or how was it that Griffins comments were easier to classify resulting in swifter action?

He (Griffin) called Islam a "Wicked faith".............Hamza preached to followers of 'actions that should be taken' especially against the 'Zionists'.

IMO it's yet another attempt to curry favour with the Muslim block in the Midlands.
 
#5
Hamza has been arrested before.

I'm not sure if the Griffin ever has been.

why or how was it that Griffins comments were easier to classify resulting in swifter action?
Let me see, interviewed on Television, A video produced by the BNP that has done the rounds, stuffed full of his speeches, putting up candidates for political office, and some of the leaflets distributed, were chock full of inaccuracies and made "interesting" reading.

Friendships with European Far-Right parties,I didn't imagine that despicable Frog Le Pen coming here did I?

Bang him up if there is sufficient evidence, but only do so, if you're going to target extremists on both sides. Or should that be 3 sides, as there's also some interesting Sikh and Hindu Fellas, who ain't best chuffed about Kashmir.

Still, a quick visit to the ulltra-nationalist websites revealed an awful lot of people running around like headless chickens, screaming about the agents of ZOG monitoring their websites. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

So Muslims just live in the Midlands do they LWM?
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
#6
The Daily Telegraph said:
"He is believed to have been arrested on suspicion of incitement to commit racial hatred."
So he has been arrested because the police, (no doubt at the behest of the Home Office,) imagine that he was urging people to have an emotion ?

I am no fan of the bloke either, but is this the thought police going into overdrive ?

As LWM says, it's spooky that it's occurred just prior to an election......
 
#7
No PTP ypur right they dont...............but they do have an extremely large voting block in that area wouldn't you agree?

AS for the comments captured on video fair play........I take it then that you are happy to condone the apparent complicity or willful dereliction of duty of the Met Pol protecting Hamza's Friday liturgy of hatred and anti-semetic/christian content and exhortation?

Liberal ..............I bet you are :wink: :wink:
 
#8
Bad Form I know but


Freedom of speech means being free to give offence
(Filed: 15/12/2004)

Some of Nick Griffin's pronouncements on race and religion, for which he was arrested yesterday morning, are extremely stupid and nasty. They give offence to all civilised Britons, of every religion and none, who value our country's tradition of tolerance. Most of all, the leader of the British National Party has offended British Muslims by apparently condemning Islam as a "vicious, wicked faith", and making rude and highly questionable remarks about the contents and meaning of their sacred book, the Koran.



We have the greatest respect for devout Muslims, and the passion with which they defend the name of their prophet, Mohammed. They have every reason to feel offended by some of Mr Griffin's remarks, made at a meeting of BNP zealots and secretly recorded and broadcast by the BBC in July. We have grave doubts, however, about the extent to which offensive speeches on any subject should be matters for the law.

Freedom of speech means nothing, after all, if it is taken to mean only the freedom to express views approved by the Government, or those that nobody finds offensive. If the term is to mean anything, it must surely include the freedom to give offence.

There is clearly a cast-iron justification for our ancient laws against incitement to violence. In some countries, there may even be a case for outlawing the expression of certain opinions. One can readily understand, for example, why it was made a criminal offence in post-war Germany to deny that the Holocaust took place. At the time, the possibility of a Nazi revival seemed a real threat to civil order and to the survival of the new republic. But in these islands, no such arguments apply for banning stupid and offensive remarks.

Until we hear the case against Mr Griffin - if any is to be brought to court - there are three observations that ought to be made. First, why did the West Yorkshire police think it necessary to send four plain-clothes policemen to arrest the BNP leader at dawn at his farmhouse on the Welsh border, in the week before Christmas? Here is a man who has never made any secret of his longing to be arrested, and to have his martyr's day in court.

The police say that, since July, a team of officers has been working 10 hours a day, five days a week, watching videos handed to them by the BBC. Is there so little crime in West Yorkshire that they have nothing better to do with their time?

The second observation is that it is a very serious matter to arrest the leader of a political party for stating his opinions - no matter how unpleasant we may find them, or how misguided we may think the 800,000-odd voters who backed the BNP at the European elections in the summer.

The third is that there are surely far more effective ways of silencing Mr Griffin and his kind than the law and the threat of prison. The most effective weapons in the liberal arsenal are argument, scorn and public ridicule.
and yet to treat it so lightly would cost them newly won votes in the Midlands!! :lol:
 
#9
"Freedom of Speech" anyone :?:
Much as I despise the BNP's narrow-minded bigotry, I feel that the "Race Hate" laws are being applied selectively & in a racially pejudiced manner, due to the outpourings of the "PC" crowd.
 
#10
There will be more arrests, and I believe it'll be across the board.

And I meant the comments and content in the BNP's latest video , not the Secret Agent program.
 
#11
inciting... racial... hatred... i.e. inciting people to THINK something. If that's not arresting him for a thoughtcrime, I don't know what is.

Better get your Newspeak dictionaries in now.

Or better still, maybe we can harness the energy of George Orwell spinning in his grave to generate electricity???
 
#12
From the BNP website:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=78
We cannot confirm that Nick Griffin’s planned contest of David Blunkett’s constituency of Sheffield Brightside at the next general Election played any part in the Home Secretary’s decision to arrest Mr. Griffin.
Blind Pugh wouldn't stoop to such levels, would he? No, he'd make someone else do it for him...
 
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#13
What concerns me here is that during the Poll Tax (or was it anti-globalisation) riots, the BBC fought tooth and nail to not hand footage over to the Rozzers, whereas here they appear to have dropped off 300 hours of unedited footage without even being asked for it. The BNP are a hideous bunch of racist chavs, but we knew that anyway, and nothing in the documentary surprised me at all, except perhaps for the BBC's repellently self-congratulatory tone as it placed itself at the top of all of its news bulletins, bragging about how clever they were for identifying an element of racism in the BNP. :roll:

The BNP are still a legitimate party, however disgusting their views and are entitled to be treated fairly. Racists are widespread in British politics: there are plenty in the Tory party and a good few in Labour too (if you want to hear unreconstructed anti-Semitism, listen to Labourites debating the 'Palestine' issue) but you will rarely hear them being outed.
 

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LE
Kit Reviewer
#14
Chickenpunk, you know as well as I that it would be both unfair and a gross invasion of privacy to release the truth on any of the party faithful !

Unless of course it would make The Glorious Leader look good......

:evil:
 
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