Is it worth my time? (Drugs related)

RaiderBoat

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As someone who works in a tangential field, the following advice is for England, but I can't imagine it'll be too far from the situation over there. We have recently been doing something similar with one of our own parks trying to reclaim it and revitalise it.
Here's what we'd advise:

1: Drugs are a police matter. Every time you see a drug deal, submit a report. Usually in English forces there's a form to fill out on line to do this. This means that suddenly there's a cluster of reports. It's the old thing of one report saying '... and this is always going on!' isn't going to get noticed. 20 of them are, as it simply makes the stats look bad.
I say do it online as it means you'll not tie up call handlers.
If things get ignored then there should be a complaints procedure, and if that fails do you have a Police Commissioner? This is what they're for. But don't do the complaint stuff too soon, give it a lot of time.

2: Contact the council Anti-Social Behaviour team. They will likely be in contact with the police, and may have soft measures they can put in place. Something as simple as Enforcement officers doing periodical patrols in the area can make it seem less inviting to the miscreants, even if nothing comes of the patrols, a uniformed individual bimbling along does make the drug dealers/users nervous.
To help with your case before you contact the ASB team do a log. Take obs over two weeks and note times of gathering and drug dealing. No need to include photo's though.
The council can spend effort on making the place more inviting to people. Lighting, CCTV new/cleaned up play equipment, removal of bushes that provide cover etc. All of which needs money, and to get a council to spend money you need your councillors on board, so start moaning at them. Try all the councillors whose wards abut the park, not just your own. Or failing that councillors in wards which are within walking distance.

Don't expect instant results either.
Adding: always refer to the previous report by number/date, so they have a complete record to follow. It also ticks them off since it shows no actions taken, etc. It’s fun and time well spent.
 
In my local park there’s a mid-small sized drug dealing operation going on, I am under the impression they are selling mostly cannabis.

I watched them briefly in action today and saw how they were going about their business.

The issue is they leave the park covered in litter, they make the place unpleasant and uncomfortable for the elderly residents and there was a stabbing (murder) in the park last year which is very out of character for my area. They also lit a bit of the park of fire last summer.

My question is;
Do you think it’s worth my time to compile a list of evidence to bring to the police?
Would the police take my report seriously if it was well put together?

I had planned to bug out key areas with small cameras in rocks, bug the area they stand with microphones and take pictures of the transaction with a DSLR camera from a OP about 100m away. I may be able to ID a few of the men aswell as they are local.

I could lead to arrests higher up aswell as a elderly gentleman was telling me that a black BMW pulls up every now and again and all the men get in and out one by one.

This idea probably seems a bit over the top, but they make the local park a shithole, and the lot of them are scum. Also this kind of thing rocks my boat aswell.

Is it worth the time, or am I just in dreamland here?
Why not call the garda when they are actually their and you have identified they are in possession?

More chance of an actual conviction if they are caught red handed and gift wrapped
 

EddieVDog

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In my local park there’s a mid-small sized drug dealing operation going on, I am under the impression they are selling mostly cannabis.

I watched them briefly in action today and saw how they were going about their business.

The issue is they leave the park covered in litter, they make the place unpleasant and uncomfortable for the elderly residents and there was a stabbing (murder) in the park last year which is very out of character for my area. They also lit a bit of the park of fire last summer.

My question is;
Do you think it’s worth my time to compile a list of evidence to bring to the police?
Would the police take my report seriously if it was well put together?

I had planned to bug out key areas with small cameras in rocks, bug the area they stand with microphones and take pictures of the transaction with a DSLR camera from a OP about 100m away. I may be able to ID a few of the men aswell as they are local.

I could lead to arrests higher up aswell as a elderly gentleman was telling me that a black BMW pulls up every now and again and all the men get in and out one by one.

This idea probably seems a bit over the top, but they make the local park a shithole, and the lot of them are scum. Also this kind of thing rocks my boat aswell.

Is it worth the time, or am I just in dreamland here?
dreamland. Let me introduce you to RIPA......Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act.......covert recording, video or audio is illegal without proper authorisation and would render any evidence gained as inadmissible. If its just weed, chances are the feds,won't be interested and you'd make yourself a target if you conducted any form of intel' gathering on these people.
 

CSM's Despair..

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In my local park there’s a mid-small sized drug dealing operation going on, I am under the impression they are selling mostly cannabis.

I watched them briefly in action today and saw how they were going about their business.

The issue is they leave the park covered in litter, they make the place unpleasant and uncomfortable for the elderly residents and there was a stabbing (murder) in the park last year which is very out of character for my area. They also lit a bit of the park of fire last summer.

My question is;
Do you think it’s worth my time to compile a list of evidence to bring to the police?
Would the police take my report seriously if it was well put together?

I had planned to bug out key areas with small cameras in rocks, bug the area they stand with microphones and take pictures of the transaction with a DSLR camera from a OP about 100m away. I may be able to ID a few of the men aswell as they are local.

I could lead to arrests higher up aswell as a elderly gentleman was telling me that a black BMW pulls up every now and again and all the men get in and out one by one.

This idea probably seems a bit over the top, but they make the local park a shithole, and the lot of them are scum. Also this kind of thing rocks my boat aswell.

Is it worth the time, or am I just in dreamland here?

Find out who drives the black BMW, learn his routine, and then rob him...
 

Dwarf

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Start sleeping on the park benches. Then complain to the Garda that they are messing up your lawn.

Worth a try.
 
dreamland. Let me introduce you to RIPA......Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act.......covert recording, video or audio is illegal without proper authorisation and would render any evidence gained as inadmissible. If its just weed, chances are the feds,won't be interested and you'd make yourself a target if you conducted any form of intel' gathering on these people.
Do they have RIPA in the Republic of Ireland?
 
In my local park there’s a mid-small sized drug dealing operation going on, I am under the impression they are selling mostly cannabis.

I watched them briefly in action today and saw how they were going about their business.

The issue is they leave the park covered in litter, they make the place unpleasant and uncomfortable for the elderly residents and there was a stabbing (murder) in the park last year which is very out of character for my area. They also lit a bit of the park of fire last summer.

My question is;
Do you think it’s worth my time to compile a list of evidence to bring to the police?
Would the police take my report seriously if it was well put together?

I had planned to bug out key areas with small cameras in rocks, bug the area they stand with microphones and take pictures of the transaction with a DSLR camera from a OP about 100m away. I may be able to ID a few of the men aswell as they are local.

I could lead to arrests higher up aswell as a elderly gentleman was telling me that a black BMW pulls up every now and again and all the men get in and out one by one.

This idea probably seems a bit over the top, but they make the local park a shithole, and the lot of them are scum. Also this kind of thing rocks my boat aswell.

Is it worth the time, or am I just in dreamland here?

It’s a Garda’s job, report it

Give them as much detail and be prepared to make a statement
 

Arte_et_Marte

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dreamland. Let me introduce you to RIPA......Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act.......covert recording, video or audio is illegal without proper authorisation and would render any evidence gained as inadmissible. If its just weed, chances are the feds,won't be interested and you'd make yourself a target if you conducted any form of intel' gathering on these people.
Other than the fact this is all occurring in Eire...

RIPA 2000 has been superceded by the Investigatory Powers Act 2016.
 
Flash powder.

On everything in the area where they operate.
 

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