Is it time for another General Election?

#81
Yes and shooting you in the collective dick and kneecapping us in the process. If the US-UK relationship goes down the drain you can very well kiss NATO goodbye. You are the bedrock nation on that side of the pond because well France is France and Germany gives no fucks as long as they control the Euro. Would JC really be that ******* dumb to give the US reason enough to abandon Europe and just focus on the Pacific??
Yes - he is a Communist. Worse still he is a pacifist - the sort of person who believes in teaching children not to hit back. I bet Putin is laughing his cock off at the moment.

The other day I was watching the first episode of the mini series The Winds Of War and the list of failures to stand up to Hitler was damning.

Versailles treaty reneged on - no response
Rearmament of Nazi Germany - no response
Reoccupation of the Rhineland - no response
Occupation of Austria - no response
Occupation of the Sudetenland - no response
Etc etc etc
 

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LE
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#82
Oh yes it will. At the moment the DUP are in a position of power, after the next election they are very likely to be just another irrelevance and they know it, so they will hang onto that power as long as possible.
In true lib dem style hopefully with the same outcome, banished into political irrellevance
 
#85
Tory remainers are his best hope, how far are they prepared to throw their dummies out of their pram?
TBH is there any difference in being an opposition backbencher and a government backbencher you still have your snout in the trough your just shouting in a different direction in the house
 
#86
As interesting thought.

'And then there is the 2011 Fixed-term Parliaments Act, which—in theory—pegs elections at five year intervals. Only in theory, because in practice the Act was short-circuited in one of the only two elections staged since it was passed, a short-circuit May herself engineered in misguided pursuit of a crushing majority. (She needed the blessing of her MPs for that, which they were happy to give when her party was streets ahead in 2017; today they could and would veto a straightforward appeal for a dissolution under the act).

'So will an election really have to await the scheduled 2022, a political age away in current circumstances? Not necessarily. Because while the detail of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act might look devilishly hard to wriggle round, its existence could be easily dispensed with. Indeed, one forgotten pledge from May’s star-crossed manifesto reads: “We will repeal the Fixed-term Parliaments Act.

'The Lords wouldn’t stand in the way—convention dictates they nod manifesto pledges through. But what about May? Could she really whip 100 per cent of her MPs against a pledge every one of them was elected on? Perhaps, but from the opposition perspective that would still make for some amusing political theatre. How much better it would be, however, if she were to seize the initiative, honour her own pledge and thereby free herself to force Brexit to the resolution that is urgently required.'

There is one way out of the Brexit impasse that no one has noticed
 

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LE
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#87
So far few Tories have resigned the party whip, it may force others to do so and this alone should cause Mays advisors to think again!
 
#90
Don't think another GE would benefit us, just a way of swerving democracy and ignoring the masses while hoping to keep seats. Labour IMHO are dead in the water, Tories not an ideal alternative, Lib Dems and others of no consequence. Another election and I see a sub 30% turnout. People are fed up with politics now. They spoke and were ignored, so wat's the point? Trouble is we'd still get the same self serving tossers, just different names. :cool:
 
#91
It would be Corbyn's wet dream to make Europe vassel states of the (soon to be re-christened)? Soviet Union, which is effectively what will happen if he gets in and causes the collapse of NATO. The French have flirted with the Soviets under De Gaulle, and the Germans would align with the Soviets so long as their mega-corporations can profit from it. A former German Chancellor is on the board of Gazprom already.

Anti Americanism is deeply entrenched with the left-wing politicians and others in continental Europe.

We are in very dangerous times.
Yes, and many us know that. JC would just give our extreme right wing types the ammunition to declare all of you across the pond as Anti American scumbugs who deserve the JDAM treatment. He would also give hope to our extreme left wing types who hate their own country, and make life interesting here.
 
#92
Corbyn may have finally noticed that being a Provo supporting twat was not in his long term best interest...
More to the point, the Labour party increasingly believes that Corbyn and his cheerleaders are a fekkin' liability. He has been party leader long enough for the novelty of a sincere but eccentric MP as potential Prime Minister to have worn off.

Even among the hard left, the peasants are revolting. Jeremy lurches from one gaffe to the next. From picking a registered sex offender as poster boy for Labour's anti-homeless campaign to posing on the floor of a train when the cameras showed plenty of empty seats, Jez really doesn't have the political skills to run the opposition, never mind the government.

A visceral hatred of Tories will not win the next election and Labour has very little else to offer at the moment. The revolution will not be televised - because there wont be a revolution. We are past peak Corbyn and publicity stunts like the no confidence vote will not change that.

Labour will lose the confidence vote tonight and their silence on Brexit will continue to be deafening until we leave in March. In the medium term, I think the party will degenerate into in fighting as moderate, electable MPs face deselection in favour of Momentum nutters and the hard left realise that Jeremy will not be ushering them into power any time soon.

All Theresa May (or Boris or JRM !) has to do is sit back and watch Labour implode while thinking about how to spend the £35 billion that better not be going to the EU if we leave on WTO terms.
 
#93
Don't think another GE would benefit us, just a way of swerving democracy and ignoring the masses while hoping to keep seats. Labour IMHO are dead in the water, Tories not an ideal alternative, Lib Dems and others of no consequence. Another election and I see a sub 30% turnout. People are fed up with politics now. They spoke and were ignored, so wat's the point? Trouble is we'd still get the same self serving tossers, just different names. :cool:
That could benefit Corbyn. The postal vote fraud could swing it in the event of a low actual turnout of people.

The extremists and others on the left are just waiting to gain power by any means.
 
#94
More to the point, the Labour party increasingly believes that Corbyn and his cheerleaders are a fekkin' liability. He has been party leader long enough for the novelty of a sincere but eccentric MP as potential Prime Minister to have worn off.

Even among the hard left, the peasants are revolting. Jeremy lurches from one gaffe to the next. From picking a registered sex offender as poster boy for Labour's anti-homeless campaign to posing on the floor of a train when the cameras showed plenty of empty seats, Jez really doesn't have the political skills to run the opposition, never mind the government.

A visceral hatred of Tories will not win the next election and Labour has very little else to offer at the moment. The revolution will not be televised - because there wont be a revolution. We are past peak Corbyn and publicity stunts like the no confidence vote will not change that.

Labour will lose the confidence vote tonight and their silence on Brexit will continue to be deafening until we leave in March. In the medium term, I think the party will degenerate into in fighting as moderate, electable MPs face deselection in favour of Momentum nutters and the hard left realise that Jeremy will not be ushering them into power any time soon.

All Theresa May (or Boris or JRM !) has to do is sit back and watch Labour implode while thinking about how to spend the £35 billion that better not be going to the EU if we leave on WTO terms.
Labour will take at least a generation to get rid of Momentum and the Corbynites, I doubt it will happen in my lifetime

They voted for him, they're stuck with him until someone more left wing replaces him
 
#95
Yes, and many us know that. JC would just give our extreme right wing types the ammunition to declare all of you across the pond as Anti American scumbugs who deserve the JDAM treatment.
You are the ghost of (Sir) Caspar Weinberger and I claim my 10 shillings.

Caspar was US Secretary of Defence (we invented the language and it's spelled with a "c") under Ronald Reagan.

Not content with describing President Reagan as "dangerously left wing" he went on to say that, if Labour won the 1992 General Election, Britain could no longer be considered to be a democracy.

Margaret Thatcher worshipped the ground Caspar walked on and granted him a Knighthood - Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire no less. Maggie never really forgave the Yanks for declaring independence and bringing one prominent American back into the Empire no doubt appealed to her sense of how history should have been.
 
#96
You are the ghost of (Sir) Caspar Weinberger and I claim my 10 shillings.

Caspar was US Secretary of Defence (we invented the language and it's spelled with a "c") under Ronald Reagan.

Not content with describing President Reagan as "dangerously left wing" he went on to say that, if Labour won the 1992 General Election, Britain could no longer be considered to be a democracy.

Margaret Thatcher worshipped the ground Caspar walked on and granted him a Knighthood - Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire no less. Maggie never really forgave the Yanks for declaring independence and bringing one prominent American back into the Empire no doubt appealed to her sense of how history should have been.
You know we Americans have different views of your political left...
 
#99
Calling an GE would be a disaster, especially for those who voted to Leave.
Until we have passed the 29th March, then we wont know which way our "locally" elected politician voted. It is then up to their constituents to decide whether to recall the said MP. The party association then has to decide whiter to re-select the incumbent or chose another candidate. Also bear in mind that the "Party HQ's" all have a large say on who can and can't be put up. In the Conservative party, the local association cannot just simply put forward a candidate to stand without approval from Conservative Central Office.
 
We get some decent coverage of the whole Brexit fiasco over in Canada and I still don't feel qualified to make an opinion on stay / remain but fwiw I think Teresa May has really been trying to get the best deal possible to brexit but has been getting screwed over by politicians looking out for themselves and far less interested in doing the right thing for Britain as a whole.
The problem with May's ex deal is it would have meant we obeyed the European courts on all sorts things and the EU has a veto on a load of things etc. It seemed like we would've left but we wouldn't really have left.
 

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