Is Iraqi democracy a good model for others?

Is Iraqi democracy a good model for others?

  • Always. It is good even for USA and Europe.

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  • In almost all cases

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#1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2006071...OWQOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

The US president clashed with the Kremlin chief over democratic reforms, an issue he had promised to raise here.

Pressing issues like a free press and religion, he proposed war-torn Iraq could be a model for Moscow. "I told him that a lot of people in our country would hope Russia would do the same thing," Bush said.

To which Putin retorted, to laughter: "We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy as they have in Iraq."

"Just wait," Bush replied.
Probably it means: just wait an invasion in Russia.
 
#2
Out of the theme, just watched on TV how the Putins and the Blairs met. Mrs Blair hurried to kiss Vladimir.
 
#4
Surprise. Nobody voted. It means that

1. So called Iraqi democracy is something imaginary.
2. There are too few among British military who are eager to give up own life for 'Iraqi democracy'.
3. Support for mr.Bush in this aspect is invisible.
 

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#5
Bush's face was a picture when the laugh went up in the conference. Worth a £1m.
 
#6
No it does not Sergy, Iraq is going through what Europe went through 300 years ago, some times you have to induce to make sure the birth goes ahead.

And shall we talk about what is going on in Mother Russia where old customs die hard?
 
#7
armchair_jihad said:
No it does not Sergy, Iraq is going through what Europe went through 300 years ago, some times you have to induce to make sure the birth goes ahead.
And shall we talk about what is going on in Mother Russia where old customs die hard?
And if America is the analagous mother, the labour pains must be smarting a tad
 
#9
armchair_jihad said:
No it does not Sergy, Iraq is going through what Europe went through 300 years ago, some times you have to induce to make sure the birth goes ahead.

And shall we talk about what is going on in Mother Russia where old customs die hard?
No it isn't, when was democracy enforced by European countries invading other countries to enforce democracy?
 
#10
Castereagh

I was refering to the implosion of Iraqi society out of which a stable Democracy (or 1 Democracy- Kurdistan plus 1 Theocracy - the Shia bits and 1 failed Sudanese failed state - the Sunnis) will eventually emerge, not the impostion of Democracy from without.
 
#11
armchair_jihad said:
Castereagh

I was refering to the implosion of Iraqi society out of which a stable Democracy (or 1 Democracy- Kurdistan plus 1 Theocracy - the Shia bits and 1 failed Sudanese failed state - the Sunnis) will eventually emerge, not the impostion of Democracy from without.
Kurdistan under Barzani a democracy? Maybe an American approved Egyptian style one. :roll:
But I understand the point you were making but would say that any notion of democracy can only evolve as any attempt to force an 'ideal democracy' (Read Western) on any foreign culture is doomed to failure.
 
#12
Well an independant Kurdistan would be a stable Democracy faster than anwhere else between Instanbul and New Dehli and they deserve it more as well. I agree with your comment about forcing 'ideal Democracy' after all the Palistinian elections were fair and balanced even by Florida standards enforced by the EU & US as the major donors and lo and behold who do the ingrates elect?
 
#13
That's like comparing a construction site to Buckingham Palace. They need time before anyone can say.

The Kurds could definitely do it though
 
#14
armchair_jihad said:
Well an independant Kurdistan would be a stable Democracy faster than anwhere else between Instanbul and New Dehli and they deserve it more as well. I agree with your comment about forcing 'ideal Democracy' after all the Palistinian elections were fair and balanced even by Florida standards enforced by the EU & US as the major donors and lo and behold who do the ingrates elect?
Palestinian polity though not perfect has evolved over time in many ways they Kurdish and Palestinian polities are very similar.
However if any semblance of a stable democracy is to be established in Kurdistan
Than issues such as nepotism, corruption, freedom of press and human rights needs to be resolved.
Also in a democracy, whether we like it or not people have the right to elect the party they want. I would also say that after the debacle of the Fatah years, it was inevitable that the people would turn to Hamas, who were not given a chance by the international community to step back from the rhetoric
 
#15
armchair_jihad said:
No it does not Sergy, Iraq is going through what Europe went through 300 years ago
As I'm aware the Catholics were allowed to be MPs in 1829. Until that time it would be hard even to speak about democracy in the UK. So, as I understand the Job would be done in 2129. It is a very 'optimistic' prediction.

armchair_jihad said:
And shall we talk about what is going on in Mother Russia where old customs die hard?
I dare say that you know Russia not well enough. It is namely Great Britain where old customs die hard. Only Cromwell changed significantly British political landscape. Though old customs that 'die hard' hadn't really died and later British political world developed without any revolutions. By contrast Russia is very flexible in this matter. In 1917 its political, economical, social structures changed dramatically. And in 1991 the changes were profound. In fact I was born in one country and am living in absolutely dufferent one (from political, economical, social and so on points of view).
 
#16
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/07/18/iraqoffended.shtml

The Iraqi government on Tuesday criticized recent remarks of Russian President Vladimir Putin regarding the state of democracy in Iraq and said it was astonished by those remarks.

“The government of Iraq was astonished by the remarks. It ignores the sacrifice and unique courage shown by the Iraqis who turned out in large numbers to exercise their right to vote,” said a statement from the office of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki...
From my point of view, real democracy is always able to defentd itself without foreign troops.
 
#18
jonwilly said:
True Sergey, but democracy is a new concept to them, just as it was in Hungary in mid 50.
john
John, after WW1, Hungary emerged as a democratic state and so the concept of democracy was well known to the Hugarians,

In 1956 Soviet Union played the same role as USA plays in Iraq now.

Without Soviet military might Hungarian insurgents would defeat pro-Soviet puppets with their "peoples democracy".
 

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