Is Iraq a sovereign nation?

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  1. No

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  2. Yes

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  1. The Bush Whitehouse has in the past few days been characterising Sadaam's execution as an act of a sovereign nation. They claim no consultations were held between the Iraqis and the coalition on when and how Sadaam would be hung. As a matter of fact, Bush was sound asleep during this momentous time in his presidency. Makes you wonder how the president can doze off when his nemesis is been led to the gallows. A nemesis-I might add- who is at the core of 3000 dead Americans and tens of thousands other wounded.

    How many other times has the president been asleep while the world was falling apart around him? But I digress.

    So Iraq a sovereign nation? I have found several definitions of the word sovereignty and one of them is :


    - The Iraqi goverment was prescreened and preapproved by the occupying powers.
    - Iraq does not have a national defense force that can protect it's borders.
    - Iraq does not have an independent foreign policy.
    - The Iraqi people do not have total control of territory within their borders and can in fact be detained, arrested and shot by foreigners without any real legal recourse. All legalities in this issues are by and large handled by the occupying forces.
    - They have no direct control of their natural resources i.e oil.

    Your thoughts please.
  2. "Is Iraq a sovereign nation?"

    Answer; No.

    Iraq is now a radio active socio/political entity with a half life of god knows how long that will continue to contaminate everyone and everything that comes into contact with it for the foreseeable future.

    We went there with intention of destroying weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist and have ended up creating a human form of Chernobyl.
  3. Iraq is an american oil manifold.
  4. Iraq has a government that is internationally recognised. In other words it has de jure sovereignty. It's even legally elected and so you could say that Iraq possesses a degree of popular sovereignty unknown in the rickety Gulf Kingships. However Iraq does not possess de facto sovereignty and likely won't any time soon.

    The Shi'a dominated governments writ does not amount to much outside the green zone and it is severely constrained in action by DC. It lacks effective control of its security forces, which in turn are almost entirely reliant on the Yanks for logistics. The fueding Shi'a militias are the governments only genuine powerbase and these provide a fractious foundation to build on. It would be insecure even in the green zone if the Yanks departed and is already looking to Tehran as an alternative crutch.

    It's highly probable that Iraq will fragment into ethnic/tribal components and will not exist as a nation by the end of this decade. Kurdistan has some chance of survival as a vassal state if it retains large US bases and submits a great deal of power to Turkey. It's highly questionable if a Shi'a rump state has the cohesion to be viable as anything other than an effective Iranian province. As for the wild west of Al Anbar; there be dragons.