Is Chris Woodhead, The Ex Schools Inspector, Right . . . . .

#2
Define working class children? Surely being down 't mine for 16 hours a day would leave little time to be schooled anyway, therefore the Tories are proposing a saving?
 
#4
Sven said:
. . . when He said

The Tories have "betrayed" working class children by refusing to create more grammar schools
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He is correct but has used incorrect terminology. He should have said 'children whose parents have insufficient means to afford private education'. Grammar school was a means of lifting bright children in this category out of the 'comprehensive trap'.
 
#5
Sven said:
. . . when He said

The Tories have "betrayed" working class children by refusing to create more grammar schools
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WTF :!: My daughters are going to the best schools in this area and they are doing so because of their ability not social background (which is work class).

I'd be more concerned that people in Labour areas are going to get crap/poor education because their vote is taken for granted. Labour or Torey is going to do nothing for these people. Some of the more socially concerned teachers will try their best to sort this but they will get very little in return.

I live in a mega safe Labour area (BNP trying hard) but my kids can choose their school. I hope to move to a less labour area and give them a more all round education - If I stay in Leeds they will either get a working class education or a snobby one, moving slightly south makes that more even
 
#6
Sven said:
. . . when He said

The Tories have "betrayed" working class children by refusing to create more grammar schools
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No, in most respects he was wrong.

The average Comprehensive has a 'Gifted or talented' group for those who have the ability and many other groupings for the daft and dozy groups. It wasn't always like that but they have improved markedly lately. I believe this is more flexable than the purely academic structure of a grammar school.
 
#8
commander-adama said:
In the 21st century what exactly is "working class"
Obsessed by class this country is.
I dont think there is any such thing anymore.

Chav scum and dole scroungers seem to think they are proud to be 'working class' and Labour have destroyed the country trying to sex it up.
 

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#9
Odd topic from an avowed 'Liberal Democrat'. Both my children went/are going to Grammar schools. They got there on merit, not though my having enough money to pay for private education (cos I don't). Without the opportunity they offer, my children would undoubtedly be less well educated. My daughter's school is consistently the top non-fee paying school in the Country for A and AS level results - and it's not a crammer's paradise - the girls are encouraged to LEARN, and assisted by excellent Staff, who really like working with pupils who want to learn.

And which Local Council grouping is most determined to get rid of them? Tha's right, the LibDems. There's little or no Labour around here, but that doesn't matter, as all the rabid class-war idiots have a fine home in the LibDems.

This is a fine example of Sven choosing anything to have a go at the Conservatives. Look for motes in your own eye, first, stirrer!
 
#10
Sven said:
. . . when He said

The Tories have "betrayed" working class children by refusing to create more grammar schools
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But Labour , who claim to represent the "working class " and have been in power for 10 years haven't. The Tories say they won't build any more not that they'll cl;ose down the ones thatb are already there, unlike the Labour party who have.

The Lib Dems of course can promise all they like because they know that they'll never be called on to fulfil those promises.
 
#11
I think he's wrong, and I teach in a grammar school.

Nothing wrong with the comprehensive concept; much is wrong with its implementation:

1. Many are far too big. IMO, the optimum size for a secondary school is 8-900 pupils; large enough to accommodate most needs, but not so large that it becomes anonymous/ alienating.
2. Streaming/ setting by ability is a must: mixed ability/ "one size fits all" teaching has been disasterous for all.
3. Focus relentlessly on teaching "proper subjects" - drop all the trendy nonsense, and - yes - "get back to basics". Hold back pupils who do not meet the required minimum standards - they've done this for years in Germany & France, and it works.
4. "Inclusion" of disturbed, anti-social, and psychopathic in mainstream ed has had catastrophic effects, and should end asap.
5. All secondary schools should have their own integral 6th Forms - doesn't have to be academic; could be vocational, or a mixture of both. In my experience, it's bad news for any school where the "top dogs" are aged 15/16.
6. Plenty of opportunities for competitive sport is a must (esp for boys!), plus a good range of other extracurricular activities. Many schools provide this, of course, but too many do not - in no small part because teachers are mired in bureaucracy; terrified by the growing "litigation culture", and no longer have ready access to appropriate playing fields.

If these principles were implemented in all secondary schools most of the "problems" so prevalent today would disappear. Won't happen, of course, because it would be too expensive/ " not cost effective". It could easily be afforded, however, if the monumental waste that pervades education was eliminated.
 
#12
I was a governor of a grant-maintained selective Grammar school for several years.

Without doubt it was the best way for underprivileged but gifted pupils to attain their academic heights.

Pupils, from whatever backgrounds, could thrive and be happy.

They should be encouraged, not dismissed.
 
#13
Is Chris Woodhead, The Ex Schools Inspector, Right . . . . . when he says sh*gging schoolgirls is good fun? I couldn't possibly comment.

But he's not exactly shown himself to be a 'safe pair of hands', for want of a better phrase.

Cue Frankie Howerd impressions.
 
#14
smartascarrots said:
Is Chris Woodhead, The Ex Schools Inspector, Right . . . . . when he says sh*gging schoolgirls is good fun? I couldn't possibly comment.

But he's not exactly shown himself to be a 'safe pair of hands', for want of a better phrase.

Cue Frankie Howerd impressions.
Totally agree.

The bloke has got more neck than a herd of giraffes still commenting on education with his background.
 
#15
Grammar schools should be the socialist's ultimate weapon. Grammar schools select pupils purely on ability, regardless of class or income. I was fortunate enough to be brought up in the catchment area for a Grammar school and benefitted from it enormously. Those pupils in my year who were from low income backgrounds were given an unrivalled opportunity to develop.

My school routinely outperformed local Independant Schools and 90% of it's pupils went on to University, some 10% of which went to Oxbridge. All of this cost my parents an optional £5 subs per term plus lunch and uniform (available free for those on income support).

Grammar schools give pupils from low income backgrounds an unrivalled opportunity to excel on the basis of talent alone, every child should have the opportunity to sit the 11+ and attend a Grammar school if they are good enough.
 
#16
I benefitted from a grammar school education and got shed loads of quals, degree, good jobs etc etc

Most of my bezzies from my village school, failed the relatively abitrary test all those years ago and got a pretty dreadful secondary modern education which has held them back all their lives (my sister included).

Great for the winners, p*ss poor for the losers. Unless the latter is tackled, I remain unconvinced.
 
#17
I'm with diffor Grammer schools work.
what about everybody else?
You can't have an education system thats only effective for what the top 25%
Chris woodhead is a nonce and fawns on about public schools so ****ing what at best 10% of the population goes to independent schools.
 
#18
brighton hippy said:
I'm with diffor Grammer schools work.
what about everybody else?
You can't have an education system thats only effective for what the top 25%
Chris woodhead is a nonce and fawns on about public schools so * what at best 10% of the population goes to independent schools.
BH,

What evidence do you offer that Chris Woodhead is a convicted sex offender, or are you just living proof of why so many people choose to educate their offspring outside of the state system?

PAW
 
#19
pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
brighton hippy said:
I'm with diffor Grammer schools work.
what about everybody else?
You can't have an education system thats only effective for what the top 25%
Chris woodhead is a nonce and fawns on about public schools so * what at best 10% of the population goes to independent schools.
BH,

What evidence do you offer that Chris Woodhead is a convicted sex offender, or are you just living proof of why so many people choose to educate their offspring outside of the state system?

PAW
PAW

Is your lack of current affairs knowleldge equal proof of how fee-paying schools can only disguise a sow's ear as a purse for so long?

Did you not read the papers in 1999? He was not convicted, but admitted sex with an under 18 year old whilst a teacher in the 1970s. He claimed she had left school at the time, but hordes of colleagues and his then-wife stated that this was a lie. He claimed in 1999 that such relationships were 'educative and experiential'.

Google it, and read for yourself.

In fact, I'll save you the bother.

Woodhead lied about sex with pupil, reveals wife
Independent, The (London), Mar 7, 1999 by BARRY HUGILL
THE FUTURE of Chris Woodhead, the Chief Inspector of Schools, was in doubt last night after his former wife alleged he had an affair with a pupil while he was teaching at the girl's school.

Last month, Mr Woodhead survived calls for his resignation following the revelation he had had a relationship with Amanda Johnston, a pupil at Gordano School near Bristol. Both claimed they only became intimate after she left the school.

But in an article in today's Mail on Sunday, Cathy Woodhead claims her former husband confessed to her about the affair while he was still on the staff of the school. Mr Woodhead, who spoke last night to the Totnes Conservative Association, said: "I am on the public record and so is Amanda Johnston. My ex-wife can say whatever she likes, I have got nothing to say." Mrs Woodhead further claims that her then husband proposed an extraordinary solution - a menage a trois with his wife and girlfriend living under the same roof. The couple's daughter, Tammy, was 15 months old at the time and Mrs Woodhead claims: "Chris said I should consider myself lucky I would have both him and Amanda to look after Tammy." Soon after, the couple separated. The affair took place 23 years ago. Mr Woodhead embarrassed his boss, David Blunkett, earlier this year by telling student teachers at Exeter University that relationships between teachers and pupils could be "experiential and educative". He subsequently apologised for his remarks and Mr Blunkett threw his weight behind him despite calls for his sacking. At the time, Mr Woodhead said: "There is an enormous difference between having a relationship after a teacher has stopped teaching a pupil and having an affair with that pupil whilst the teaching relationship is going on." Mrs Woodhead said his denials are untrue. "I have lived with the knowledge that Chris had a sexual relationship with a pupil at the school where he taught. I learned that for certain in 1976, when he told me he was having an affair with a girl named Amanda Johnston, a sixth-former at Gordano school where he was head of the English department." A spokesman for Mr Blunkett refused to comment last night. Mr Woodhead has infuriated teachers with his back-to-basics views. He has won admirers and enemies in equal numbers with his claims that up to 15,000 teachers are incompetent.
 
#20
sounds like a nonce to me :twisted:
criminal offense these days
 

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