Is Call-Me-Dave doing a BLiar ?

#1
Heard on Radio 4 this morning that CMD is now saying that North Korea could nuke us here in the UK and therefore we need a Trident replacement and that we need it to be in Scotland ? Checked the Torygraph and it seems I heard correctly ....

David Cameron: 'to axe Trident would put us in danger' - Telegraph

And in particular:

"For the first time, he suggests that Britain may be in range of ballistic missiles fired by the “highly unpredictable and aggressive regime” in North Korea. "

Is this another ruse to get us to stick our noses in N.Korea, S.Korea and the US's little domestic ?

Surely we have neither reason nor interest to get involved in what is happening.

Are we really more at risk now than during the Cold War ?

Another war anyone ? After all, we are only extremely overstretched right now ..........
 

Wordsmith

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#2
Call Me Dave is doing what he always does - giving a sound bite on the issue of the moment.

I would be far more impressed in many of these sound bites turned into demonstrably achieved actions. However, he almost invariably fails to follow up on his rhetoric when the issue loses the media spotlight.

I wonder if he realiaes what effect this is having on this long term credibility? He came to power promising a new politics and has instead proved as trustworthy as the Labour slimeballs in the previous government.

Wordsmith
 

BiscuitsAB

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#4
I am yet to be convinced that NoK has a nucloid device. I believe that their nucloid detonations and their accident at Ryongchon were conventional. I believe that their underground nucloid tests were huge conventional detonations of the type achieved by both us and the germans in WWI after we had undermined each others positions. I may of course be barking mad and completely wrong.
 
#6
I am yet to be convinced that NoK has a nucloid device. I believe that their nucloid detonations and their accident at Ryongchon were conventional. I believe that their underground nucloid tests were huge conventional detonations of the type achieved by both us and the germans in WWI after we had undermined each others positions. I may of course be barking mad and completely wrong.
According to this,if they fire up their old production facility then in about 6 months it will be ready to produce about 6kgs of product per annum.
6kgs is enough for one warhead.............
North Korea can likely revive reactor in six months, needs years for more bombs
 
#8
I'll pack mi' bergen just incase.

Bloody Koreans..
 
#9
I am yet to be convinced that NoK has a nucloid device. I believe that their nucloid detonations and their accident at Ryongchon were conventional. I believe that their underground nucloid tests were huge conventional detonations of the type achieved by both us and the germans in WWI after we had undermined each others positions. I may of course be barking mad and completely wrong.
All the various experts say the 2009 and 2013 tests were nuke. That's the French, Germans, South Koreans, the Yanks, the Russians and the Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization who all say they were nuke tests...........

2006 North Korean nuclear test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Over to you.

CMD is setting out the case for a Trident replacement.

And we are already "involved" in any resumption of the Korean war as the war has not ended, only an armistice was agreed. Which is a situation in a war where the warring parties agree to stop fighting before sorting out a peace treaty. Which has never happened in Korea.
 
#11
It's very pleasing to see that buzzword bingo is still popular with some posters.[/QUOTE

Yup, you can always spot a complete bore and angrily flacid individual by their inability to use people's real names instead of tedious; unfunny buzzwords.
 
#12
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David Cameron: 'to axe Trident would put us in danger' - Telegraph

And in particular:

"For the first time, he suggests that Britain may be in range of ballistic missiles fired by the “highly unpredictable and aggressive regime” in North Korea. " [my bold]

Is this another ruse to get us to stick our noses in N.Korea, S.Korea and the US's little domestic ?
What the PM actually says in his article is:

...while the highly unpredictable and aggressive regime in North Korea recently conducted its third nuclear test and could already have enough fissile material to produce more than a dozen nuclear weapons. Last year North Korea unveiled a long-range ballistic missile which it claims can reach the whole of the United States. If this became a reality it would also affect the whole of Europe, including the UK. ...
 
#13
Is Call-Me-Dave doing a BLiar ?
AFTER he commits the entire British Army to supporting a terrorist organisation in their attempts to seize power under the guise of a 'humanitarian' operation...

AND, after he commits the entire British Army to support another states selfish national interest and the even more selfish personal interest of a few uppity exiles from another state, in the name of regional security from (non-existant) WMD...

AND, after he commits the entire British Army to support another states efforts to reduce its overseas commitments by leading the charge to drag all of NATO into another foreign misadventure...

THEN, and only then, maybe the comparison is justified.


Heard on Radio 4 this morning that CMD is now saying that North Korea could nuke us here in the UK and therefore we need a Trident replacement and that we need it to be in Scotland ? Checked the Torygraph and it seems I heard correctly ....
Sounded to me like he was using North Korea to justify some domestic polticking:
1) Rather spend cash on Trident replacement than welfare - poke in the LibDem's eyes.
2) Prepared to invest in Scotland - poke in the ScotNat's eyes.
 
#14
To me he is putting forward the argument for maintaining/replacing Trident by using N.Korea as this weeks example, next week it will be Iran, what ever is applicable to the day. Thats what soundbite politicians do.

As for N.Koreas ability to plant one in Europe, I say no.
 
#16
To me he is putting forward the argument for maintaining/replacing Trident by using N.Korea as this weeks example, next week it will be Iran, what ever is applicable to the day. Thats what soundbite politicians do.

As for N.Koreas ability to plant one in Europe, I say no.

At the moment no, you have been keeping up with the news that they are developing their technology as proved by the attempt and their claims that they put a satellite in orbit.
 
#17
There is some serious scepticism as to the reality of North Korea's technical capability with regards to missile range and ability to build a small warhead. Small warheads are much more difficult to build than a simple nuclear device. I have not seen any certain evidence that they have actually detonated underground devices of an atomic type and a good proportion of the nuclear industry believe that these could have been deep conventional detonations to add credibility to their threats and posturing.
 
#18
To me he is putting forward the argument for maintaining/replacing Trident by using N.Korea as this weeks example, next week it will be Iran, what ever is applicable to the day. Thats what soundbite politicians do.
Are you suggesting that NK does not pose a credible threat to anyone, or that people should not use the most current credible threat to illustrate their point?

As for N.Koreas ability to plant one in Europe, I say no.
Who said anything about NK planting one in Europe? I'll give you a clue, the answer to that isn't "Cameron".
 
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fozzy

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#19
At the moment no, you have been keeping up with the news that they are developing their technology as proved by the attempt and their claims that they put a satellite in orbit.
If they can do that - then a FOB profile attack is possible in a few years....
 
#20
Are you suggesting that NK does not pose a credible threat to anyone, or that people should not use the most current credible threat to illustrate their point?




Who said anything about NK planting one in Europe? I'll give you a clue, the answer to that isn't "Cameron".
No I am not suggesting NK does not pose a threat to anyone one however at present not the UK, by using the present situation in NK to put forward his argument in my eyes makes him a "soundbite" politician. By all means put forward the argument to maintain and renew a nuc deterrent but don't sabre rattle by using NK as an example, that's the stuff of Blair and his 45 minute warning.

With regards to planting one in Europe, thats a reply to the OP who says "For the first time, he suggests that Britain may be in range of ballistic missiles fired by the “highly unpredictable and aggressive regime” in North Korea. "
 

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