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Is basic today really that much easier than it was in the late 80's?

#1
Times have changed...possibly for the better in most aspects of life.

But I still think todays recruits should experience the delights of getting by on about 2 or 3 hours sleep a night, making bedblocks, taking part in change parades, BFT's in boots and denims, having most of the contents of your locker hurled around the room during inspections (or out of the window if you were really unlucky) plus all the other general sadistic behaviour unleashed upon the squad by overzealous training full screws.

Its all 'bring your own duvets' and 'gentle encouragement' these days.



Mongs today don't know they were born.
 
#2
Times have changed...possibly for the better in most aspects of life.

But I still think todays recruits should experience the delights of getting by on about 2 or 3 hours sleep a night, making bedblocks, taking part in change parades, BFT's in boots and denims, having most of the contents of your locker hurled around the room during inspections (or out of the window if you were really unlucky) plus all the other general sadistic behaviour unleashed upon the squad by overzealous training full screws.

Its all 'bring your own duvets' and 'gentle encouragement' these days.



Mongs today don't know they were born.
We only had NI to "worry" about and were looking forward to getting p*ssed in BAOR and the clap in Belize and HK.

The young lads today have been facing the prospect of real active service so a bit less b*llshit is probably appropriate.
 
#3
We only had NI to "worry" about and were looking forward to getting p*ssed in BAOR and the clap in Belize and HK.

The young lads today have been facing the prospect of real active service so a bit less b*llshit is probably appropriate.
Happy times though werent they
 
#4
Times have changed...possibly for the better in most aspects of life.

But I still think todays recruits should experience the delights of getting by on about 2 or 3 hours sleep a night, making bedblocks, taking part in change parades, BFT's in boots and denims, having most of the contents of your locker hurled around the room during inspections (or out of the window if you were really unlucky) plus all the other general sadistic behaviour unleashed upon the squad by overzealous training full screws.

Its all 'bring your own duvets' and 'gentle encouragement' these days.

Mongs today don't know they were born.
"Mongs today"? Are you real?

I went through the bed blocks, pointless 'change parades' block punishments, shite draughty spider accommodation and 38 pattern webbing halcyon days of basic in 1976.

It was shit.

We sucked it up though and carried on. (Except for Taff, who paid his £20 and fecked off)

But I'm pretty sure my basic was easier than those lads who went through Depot 10 years before me, and it was harder 10 years before that.

But I'm talking about the generations who could cope with that shite, and often it was an easier life than some got at home, and we were certainly not the brightest bulbs in the light bulb basket either.

Today's soldiers are better educated, better fed, better housed and trained for a completely different type of enemy than we were, and the days of getting a good shoeing from a sadistic full screw for some perceived triviality are long gone, thank ****.

It's like dating a dwarf with a learning difficulty. It's not big, and it's not clever.

I suggest you pop down to Millets, get hold of some shite webbing and a pair of ammo boots, double yourself over to a darkened cellar and spend some time wanking over your puttees whilst you rethink your next cretinous post.

"Mongs today." Have some fecking respect FFS.
 
#5
"Mongs today"? Are you real?

I went through the bed blocks, pointless 'change parades' block punishments, shite draughty spider accommodation and 38 pattern webbing halcyon days of basic in 1976.

It was shit.

We sucked it up though and carried on. (Except for Taff, who paid his £20 and fecked off)

But I'm pretty sure my basic was easier than those lads who went through Depot 10 years before me, and it was harder 10 years before that.

But I'm talking about the generations who could cope with that shite, and often it was an easier life than some got at home, and we were certainly not the brightest bulbs in the light bulb basket either.

Today's soldiers are better educated, better fed, better housed and trained for a completely different type of enemy than we were, and the days of getting a good shoeing from a sadistic full screw for some perceived triviality are long gone, thank ****.

It's like dating a dwarf with a learning difficulty. It's not big, and it's not clever.

I suggest you pop down to Millets, get hold of some shite webbing and a pair of ammo boots, double yourself over to a darkened cellar and spend some time wanking over your puttees whilst you rethink your next cretinous post.

"Mongs today." Have some fecking respect FFS.
Bet you were a real whinger in basic
 
#8
Times have changed...possibly for the better in most aspects of life.

But I still think todays recruits should experience the delights of getting by on about 2 or 3 hours sleep a night, making bedblocks, taking part in change parades, BFT's in boots and denims, having most of the contents of your locker hurled around the room during inspections (or out of the window if you were really unlucky) plus all the other general sadistic behaviour unleashed upon the squad by overzealous training full screws.

Its all 'bring your own duvets' and 'gentle encouragement' these days.



Mongs today don't know they were born.

An over enthusiastic RD LCpl once headed for the window clutching my best boots, I followed him and whispered in his ear about the prospect of him following the boots if he was stupid enough to throw them. After that room inspections were well cushty!
 

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#11
It is easy to look back on the basic trg days with rose-tinted glasses and wallow in the nostalgia of a life less complicated. But as I start to remember a little more, what hits me is how pointless it was - some of the things they used to make us do. I now realise that most of the full screws that 'led' us, were a bunch of sadistic twats who had no place in the field force, and were often sent to these places after a stretch in Colly, or because they were simply shit at everything else.

Don't get me wrong - we had one or two good ones (by comparison). But that didn't detract from the fact I spent most of every day of every one of the 14 weeks with a permanent lump in my throat and an adrenaline rush in anticipation of what bullshit was coming next. "Happy days" is an expression I use in the most sarcastic manner there is.

Although on the positive side, I suppose it gave me a datum to measure everything else by, and nowadays I have a lot of appreciation for how well-off we are by comparison. Something lost of todays soldiers I feel, when they start to throw their teddies in the corner over having to smarten up a little for our 'MONTHLY' CO's pde.

PS:
Trg = Training
Pde = Parade (for all you civvie cnuts and SCHs using the site)
 
#13
It's always easier for those that follow eh?

Well, the local tart that was "easy" for everyone who went through training before me was well hard, I couldn't shag it.
 
#14
Still it must be hard for the poor darlings? How can they concentrate for five minutes with someone's i-Phone going off every five minutes? And the knowledge that if you do make a boo-boo it will be all over Facepest within seconds, intolerable pressure...
 
#16
I now realise that most of the full screws that 'led' us, were a bunch of sadistic twats who had no place in the field force, and were often sent to these places after a stretch in Colly, or because they were simply shit at everything else.Don't get me wrong - we had one or two good ones (by comparison). But that didn't detract from the fact I spent most of every day of every one of the 14 weeks with a permanent lump in my throat and an adrenaline rush in anticipation of what bullshit was coming next. "Happy days" is an expression I use in the most sarcastic manner there is.Although on the positive side, I suppose it gave me a datum to measure everything else by, and nowadays I have a lot of appreciation for how well-off we are by comparison. Something lost of todays soldiers I feel, when they start to throw their teddies in the corner over having to smarten up a little for our 'MONTHLY' CO's pde.
The only good aspect that came with having those "sadistic twats" was that it did instill an element of 'respect' (for want of a better word) for rank, something which is evidently lacking these days. I recall that after finishing training and for years later, I wouldn't of dreamt of speaking to a Sgt or SSgt without finishing the sentence with their rank. These days, I have noticed Junior Ranks don't think twice about it. A couple of months ago here at my unit, one of our Ptes attempted to get the attention of the RSM or accompanying SSgt (who were walking away from him) by raising his arm and clicking his fingers. I shit you not. It did achieve its aim however and he got the RSMs attention............... but it didn't end well for him.
 
#17
Times change and that doesn't preclude the Army. The accommodation and conditions may be better but todays trainees will have their fair share of sleepness nights out on Sennybridge, running around all over the place and get soaking wet etc. Then when they get to their Battalion, they will do whatever is required of them. That's what Soldiers do.

Iraq and Afghanistan have meant that Squaddies in recent times have more than earned their spurs and many have paid a terrible price for their service.

That's not at all a new thing for the British Soldier to have done but recent conflicts have demanded huge committment from those who constitute boots on the ground and they have performed superbly despite the odds often being stacked up against them.

They have my admiration!
 
#18
Having been involved in the really dull technical side of the training process towards the end of my military career I think it’s all about a complete change in philosophy. The idea now is (if I recall the terms correctly) to “train in” rather than “select out”. Beasting the feck out of people might have worked when we had huge intakes & when the tasks required of Recruits were a lot more simple, but even the PBI need to be a lot more technically savvy than they did many years ago. While there’s a place for putting people under extreme fatigue & hardship* during training to imbue team spirit and a sense of overcoming adversity, it’s hardly conducive to getting Recruits to learn new & sometimes conceptually difficult skills.

Agree about the common sense & respect thing, though. I remember my first Tp SSgt having a fit when a Trooper newly arrived from Bovvy wandered up on the tank park & addressed him by his first name – that would have been acceptable, but only a few years down the line. The same Trooper also paraded to go out on Hohne & Soltau for a month or so with no warm kit & no sleeping bag & just the covvies he stood (& shivered) in & had to be taken back to the block by the Tp Cpl to pack. That was more than twenty years ago, mind, so it’s obviously been soft since then…

*although not, IMHO, as done by some cock of a Bde Comd who decided during one of the hottest summers on record it would be a great idea to get us to practise water conservation by allowing us only one bottle per 24 hours on a field exercise where 3R was in effect for long periods.
 
#19
Having enjoyed the delights of early 80's JLR RAC, and TA Infantry Phase 1/CIC and done 4 Op tours in the last 10 years I can pretty6 safely ask WTF are they teaching them these days ? Not one of the little shites has the faintest grasp of tidying up after themselves at all. I can't think anybody post JLR would dream of leaving food and rubbish lying around. Yes, their soldiering skills were pretty good but they seemed to think that soldiering just consisted of patrolling, stagging on and beasting themeselves on the gym on vast protein shakes and other substances. Cleaning up after themselves, keeping their bedspace clean and all the admin shite was a dirty word to them.
 
#20
Kit, that is a leadership failure surely? Are you telling me that 20 years ago private soldiers would clean up after themselves if they weren't told to do so? Leadership starts at the top and cascades down, the fault lies at the highest rank that fails to address the issue and all those below.
 

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