Is 7 years too long to be a LCpl?

Is 7 years too long to be a LCpl?

  • Yes, poke some chests!

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  • No, it's just one of those things.

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  • Stop sulking, deal with it, and try harder!

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#1
Clean record, outstanding CRs for past three years, bags of extra duties and representative sports, yet 7 years as a Lance Jack. Shurly shome mishtake? Should I be worried something is not quite right, and start chest poking? Or is this quite normal, and just "one of those things"?
 
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#5
mnemonic said:
Clean record, outstanding CRs for past three years, bags of extra duties and representative sports, yet 7 years as a Lance Jack. Shurly shome mishtake? Should I be worried something is not quite right, and start chest poking? Or is this quite normal, and just "one of those things"?
Just think, someone you know, who joined after you were promoted to Lance Jack, is a full screw now.

I think that about sums it all up.

You're a w*nker.
 
#6
mnemonic said:
Clean record, outstanding CRs for past three years, bags of extra duties and representative sports, yet 7 years as a Lance Jack. Shurly shome mishtake? Should I be worried something is not quite right, and start chest poking? Or is this quite normal, and just "one of those things"?
Look around you and compare with your peer group - if you were as outstanding as your post says you are you wouldn't need to ask the question.

You are either a liar/in another corps or have already been promoted beyond your ability if you can't work that out.

Or I am a victim of a wah....whatever I am over it.
 
#8
It's sometimes worse in the RLC. The average time to full screw in my old trade was 12-14 years!*
Pioneers is sometimes much worse!

*Of course the MRO road shows would still claim that 6 years was the norm. An interview with them often revealed the truth.
 
#9
Biscuits_AB said:
Just think, someone you know, who joined after you were promoted to Lance Jack, is a full screw now.
Could just about conceivably be a Sgt...

Mate you need to be honest with yourself - those 3 outstanding CRs for example - if they were really as outstanding as you suggest then you should be surprised you were not promoted, but look at them in more detail. Are they just 'good' CRs which actually grade you in the middle (or lower) 3rd or even just not near enough the top of the top third of your battalion?

If you want find out what's going wrong speak to (don't chest poke) your boss and ask for some frank advice...
 
#10
mnemonic said:
Clean record, outstanding CRs for past three years, bags of extra duties and representative sports, yet 7 years as a Lance Jack. Shurly shome mishtake? Should I be worried something is not quite right, and start chest poking? Or is this quite normal, and just "one of those things"?
Far to long.. get asking questions, dont' forget to question yourself!!!! min' full screw by now..why have'nt you asked them before now? move your backside and be assertive. If you get no joy move or sign off
 
#11

Could just about conceivably be a Sgt...


Funny you should say that! To clarify:

1. I'm not a liar, or in another Corps, or promoted beyond my ability -according to my CRs.

2. Have been in top third of unit for past 3 CRs.

3. Last CR, boss' insert made clear he found it "hard to believe LCpl ******** hasn't been promoted yet" and found me "more than capable of doing the job of a Sgt, let alone Cpl"

4. CR before that stated verbatim that I should be promoted.

5. Have talked to RCMO and boss, but told "just keep at it" every year.

6. Can't sign off, have wife and two kids. Need job of £28k plus to make it possible!

For those who offered constructive advice, thanks.
 
#12
Well if that's the case all I can suggest now is that you find yourself a posting which either offers you a better chance to show off your skills or a new specialisation to round off your career profile more than it already is... The RCMO may well have pointed you in a couple of new directions?
 
#13
Yes it is.

Speak to the Pl Sgt/CSM and arrange an interview with the OC. Find out where you came on the last promotion boards (I take it you are qualified for promotion?). Ask him what you need to do to get promoted and make sure your PDR file has a record of the inteview and what was said.

Remember to keep your MPAR - take note of the advice within it and work to it, also seek an interview with the RCMO to preliminarily sound him out about a transfer.

It may be the case that you have reached your ceiling in your current CEG, or that you are just not exhibiting the qualities required for promotion in that particular area of the army. Remember the army is pretty big, and if you cannot make it in one area of the army (for whatever reason), then you may be able to make it somewhere else.

Oh.... and forget the RLC - unless you are want to be of the ammunition guys, or a marine engineer, the promotion is pretty slow.
 
#14
mnemonic said:

Could just about conceivably be a Sgt...


Funny you should say that! To clarify:

1. I'm not a liar, or in another Corps, or promoted beyond my ability -according to my CRs.

2. Have been in top third of unit for past 3 CRs.

3. Last CR, boss' insert made clear he found it "hard to believe LCpl ******** hasn't been promoted yet" and found me "more than capable of doing the job of a Sgt, let alone Cpl"

4. CR before that stated verbatim that I should be promoted.

5. Have talked to RCMO and boss, but told "just keep at it" every year.

6. Can't sign off, have wife and two kids. Need job of £28k plus to make it possible!

For those who offered constructive advice, thanks.
you a darksider or lightsider

within reason what unit you in, ie Bn (obviously persec allowing)
 
#15
Either your a complete social hand grenade and a complete nobber, or someone doesnt like you..............

as per the earlier post - i think you should do one, either way
 
#16
Perhaps you're just very good at the job you do and there isn't somebody of sufficient ability to fill your boots?

You could try lowering your standards sufficiently that someone could take your place....

The risk is that they may overtake you as a result. :)

Indispensible - it's a double-edged sword.
 
#17
OK - to put into perspective - two blokes in my unit came off the screws board this year - both left Chix in 2005. Did they get 'Oustanding' CRs? Answer is I don't know but I suspect they did not - I know they were certainly top third in my bn.

So there is clearly something wrong...it will depend on a number of factors.

How many posts have you had since training?

How many Op tours have you done and when was your last one?

Were you competitive on the last board?

What is there in your CR to cover your extracurricular activities (this is often as important as being good at your job - although I note from your original post that you play sport which is a usual banker)?

What did you think of your write ups (some people simply cannot write a CR well - it needs to stand out - I appreciate the fact that you have little control over this and all you can do is be bloody good at your job - if this is the case then you are being short changed)?

However I still stand by my 'look around your peer group' observation - if you aren't doing it and making deductions from that then you ain't in the right corps.
 
#18
Mnemonic,

In answer to your original question, yes, 7 years is too long; even I only spent 6 years as a LCpl. :oops:

However, it's not all doom and gloom. There are now checks in place, whereby everyone will end up marking time in one rank or other. Take a soldier that gets rapid promotion to Sgt, at the 5-year point, s/he will then need to wait at least 4 years for their next rank, because you must have served a minimum of 9 years to get promoted to SSgt. You may take 7+ years to get to Cpl, but then jump the next two ranks in the following 4 years.

As others have stated, there are a number of factors involved with promotion boards and CRs in general. Some officers cannot write good CRs; all of the detail is there, but the actual write-up doesn't read well. Remember, you may look on your CR with rose-tinted glasses, whereas the board will be reading it along with hundreds of very similar CRs. If your CR doesn't grab someone's attention, it will get lost when they are sorting the wheat from the chaff.

You say you've had outstanding CRs for the last 3 years, I'm not questioning that, but there could be something earlier in your career that is holding you back.

Another point that was briefed by Royal Signals and Intelligence Corps MCM Div a few years ago is that your time-in-post is looked at by the board. If you've been in the same job for 5 years, you should be getting good CRs, stating that you are fantastic at your job, but it won't necessarily be looked on favourably by the board.

If you honestly cannot see what is holding up your career, then you need to request an interview with the RCMO. Obviously you need to go through the Chain of Command, but don't be fobbed off if your OC tells you that your career is on track.

You need to make sure the RCMO is aware of your questions/concerns before the interview. He can then come armed with some answers. You can ask for a formal career profile and a career review. He can also tell you how competitive you have been on the last board; he won’t tell your position on the board, but he can tell you how well you scored.
 
#19
Funny you should say that! To clarify:

3. Last CR, boss' insert made clear he found it "hard to believe LCpl ******** hasn't been promoted yet" and found me "more than capable of doing the job of a Sgt, let alone Cpl"

4. CR before that stated verbatim that I should be promoted.

5. Have talked to RCMO and boss, but told "just keep at it" every year.

For those who offered constructive advice, thanks.[/quote]

Going solely by what you say and I in no way doubt someones integrity before I know them, you said your boss, "hard to believe LCpl ******** hasn't been promoted yet" and found me "more than capable", so maybe your boss needs to exercise some leadership and get you picked up. Just my 2 cents worth. If it's any consellation I was a SGT for 9 years before I got my Warrant. Your story sounds so familiar. Keep at it mucker.
 
#20
Perevodchik said:
Are you sure you're in the Int Corps? Even linguists don't do that long as a lance jack.......
If I remember correctly, the OPMI(L)s did particularly well on the LCpl-Cpl Board this year, more than half of those listed were linguists. :wink:
 

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