Well, the serious historical debate (i.e. the one that starts with an acceptance that a systemmatic attempt was made to kill all Europe's Jews) is between what are generally termed the Intentionalist and Structuralist/Functionalist views.Biscuits_Brown said:I think the stage has been left open for him by the fact that 70 some years later, we virtually refuse to acknowledge any historical perspective on the nazi years in Germany which doesn't consist entirely of handwringing and condemnation.
Yes, they were evil.
But there's a hell of a lot more to the period than that.
Not least, IMO, just how frighteningly ordinary the protagonists were and to a degree (that is doubtless going to cause kerfuffle) the fact that someactually did have ceratin qualities that could be considered admirable.
As you put, a 'history like Austria and Germany'. Post-WW2, Austria was regarded as a 'victim' country. Howvever, there seems a lot of difference between the 1938 Anschluss and, say, the way Germany took over Bohemia-Moravia and parts of Poland.Voyager said:Sorry Del Boy but if they don't have such laws you'll get people idolising Hitler as they idolise Napoleon (who was really a French Hitler)................and then you'll get political parties with Nazi heritage..............and have no laws to challenge it.
With a history like Austria and Germany it is hard to condemn them from trying to prevent Neo-Nazi Parties - they have increasing problems in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Poland and Russia
Agree LPT - originally an exceptional historian whose earliest work illuminated aspects of WW2 previously underexplored. Sadly, the man lost the plot - too much time in the archives "reading himself into the minds" of AH & associates seems to have warped his judgement.LankyPullThrough said:For all the abhorrence of his views and lack of tenability of his historical arguments regarding the Holocaust, John Keegan rates him as one of the most important WW2 historians.
His 'Hitler's War' is considered an important book precisely because his sympathies illuminate previously little-understood aspects of the war. His command of German and massive archival work unfortunately make him a bit more significant than his back-room rants otherwise would.
Let's hope a year in chokey makes him wind his neck in.