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IRR Patches

daywalker

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#1
Evening gents!!

Does anyone one know where i can get hold of either some IRR or luminous union jack patches?

cheers
 
#7
WTF is 'Royal army' all about in that link.....



.....although it is an American seller.
 
#12
The purpose of IRR union flag patches is to be recognised as a Brit in the dark with night vision devices. The purpose of fieldcraft is to see without being seen. So sew on a tactical green or desert cloth flash instead ! If you're on ops and worried about friendly fire when it's a little bit dark, use an infra red cyalume instead. They work brilliantly ! Speak to your Admin Sgt or friendly SQMS.

Or are you an Airsoft Walt !?
 

daywalker

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Kit Reviewer
#13
Most def not an airsoft walt!!!

The way i look at it is that an IRR union jack patch would work just as well in daytime as it would at night. Ive seen alot of US soldiers with them and it struck me as a good idea. I agree that an IRR cylume works well to but there is nothing stopping the bad guys doing this also,and i think 30 blokes running around a compound with IR cylumes strapped to them could be a bit of a drama when working on NVG's.

Anyone else got any thoughts on this?
 
#14
daywalker said:
Most def not an airsoft walt!!!

The way i look at it is that an IRR union jack patch would work just as well in daytime as it would at night. Ive seen alot of US soldiers with them and it struck me as a good idea. I agree that an IRR cylume works well to but there is nothing stopping the bad guys doing this also,and i think 30 blokes running around a compound with IR cylumes strapped to them could be a bit of a drama when working on NVG's.

Anyone else got any thoughts on this?
I've always got thoughts; occasionally they make sense...

1. I can't find many Al Qaeda IR Cyalume Factories in the middle eastern phone book, which leads me to suspect that Taliban supplies of IR cyalumes are somewhat limited and so not many militants wear them ;)

2. An IR cyalume is SOPs for many units, because whereas a little luminous flag on your arm can only be seen when your left arm is facing the NVGs, a glowing thing on your helmet is pretty fcuking obvious. anything that stops you getting shot by your own side is probably a good idea.

3. IR cyalumes are not that bright that a lot of them will white out NVGs at any distance. If anything, the cyalumes will serve to provide ambient light for the NVGs.
 

daywalker

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Kit Reviewer
#15
Bravo_Zulu said:
daywalker said:
Most def not an airsoft walt!!!

The way i look at it is that an IRR union jack patch would work just as well in daytime as it would at night. Ive seen alot of US soldiers with them and it struck me as a good idea. I agree that an IRR cylume works well to but there is nothing stopping the bad guys doing this also,and i think 30 blokes running around a compound with IR cylumes strapped to them could be a bit of a drama when working on NVG's.

Anyone else got any thoughts on this?
I've always got thoughts; occasionally they make sense...

1. I can't find many Al Qaeda IR Cyalume Factories in the middle eastern phone book, which leads me to suspect that Taliban supplies of IR cyalumes are somewhat limited and so not many militants wear them!

2. An IR cyalume is SOPs for many units, because whereas a little luminous flag on your arm can only be seen when your left arm is facing the NVGs, a glowing thing on your helmet is pretty fcuking obvious. anything that stops you getting shot by your own side is probably a good idea.

3. IR cyalumes are not that bright that a lot of them will white out NVGs at any distance. If anything, the cyalumes will serve to provide ambient light for the NVGs.
Straight back at ya!!!!

1. If AQ wanted to get them im sure they could, im not saying that they just pop down the stores a get a box but im pretty sure they could get them. I reckon the Iranians have got a couple kicking around somewhere.

2. I personally wouldn't want a glowing aiming marker on my head when im fighting an enemy that has been proven to have a night vision capibility.There is nothing in queens regs saying you can only have one on your left arm and that it has to be as small as the issue Union Jack you wear on your working dress in camp.

3. I agree it wouldn't cause a white out but i do think it could get confusing with lots of cylumes running around in front of you!!!
 
#16
Bravo_Zulu said:
daywalker said:
Most def not an airsoft walt!!!

The way i look at it is that an IRR union jack patch would work just as well in daytime as it would at night. Ive seen alot of US soldiers with them and it struck me as a good idea. I agree that an IRR cylume works well to but there is nothing stopping the bad guys doing this also,and i think 30 blokes running around a compound with IR cylumes strapped to them could be a bit of a drama when working on NVG's.

Anyone else got any thoughts on this?
I've always got thoughts; occasionally they make sense...

1. I can't find many Al Qaeda IR Cyalume Factories in the middle eastern phone book, which leads me to suspect that Taliban supplies of IR cyalumes are somewhat limited and so not many militants wear them ;)

2. An IR cyalume is SOPs for many units, because whereas a little luminous flag on your arm can only be seen when your left arm is facing the NVGs, a glowing thing on your helmet is pretty fcuking obvious. anything that stops you getting shot by your own side is probably a good idea.

3. IR cyalumes are not that bright that a lot of them will white out NVGs at any distance. If anything, the cyalumes will serve to provide ambient light for the NVGs.
They get them from the same place they get NVGs, GPS, ammo of all types, Mags, weapons, rations, batts, uniforms etc. For free. From the 'careless' squaddy. Stitching breaks and in contact they tend to have other things on thier minds. You wouldn't know this as you are a cadet instructor.

Also used are glint tape and IR glint tape on helmets, arms and any other sundry kit to improve personal visability at night. Small squares are ok. A good chunk of UJ patterned IR tape is perhaps ‘better’(bigger).

MOST IMPORTANTLY, being attached they don’t need to be resupplied and they don’t run out.

Being bigger than the issue UJ it can hopefully stop the bone question

"Amrikian yaast?"

"JA!"
 
#19
Hello Again,

I feel the need to clarify my position on the use of IR Cyalume...

During an op from point A to point B, the opposition rather inconveniently blew a big fracking hole in the road. After the obligatory 5&20's, the FP vehicles and medium sized wagons were able to scoot around the side but other vehicles were too large to continue and had to turn back. Top cover was provided by U.S. A10's.
Naturally, the Opposition were lying in wait for a perfect oppurtunity. The jet jockey gave an instruction for the use of the cyalumes as an aid to friendly identification. The opposition had an early night !

The lightsticks were issued for an "as and when, and only when required."

They were only to be used as per s.o.p.'s so would not be "on" for an entire journey.

The same thing goes for the small IR strobe lights

Personnel also had reflective "sew ons"

I just feel that the above is enough for for personal identification without having a blo*dy large beermat of a flag stuck on our sleeves when the smaller ones are fine (although I am rather peeved that the manufacturer can't sew them in the middle of the sleeve.). Additionally, depending on your own S.O.P.'s you may need space for your zap no. / bld. Gp.
We're not the Yanks, we don't need large emblems !
If we went into combat wearing hi-viz vests we would still not be immune to blue on blues, so lets not go O.T.T. after all discretion is the better part of valour.
Our discipline, smartness and bearing makes us stand out above the rest, anyway, So There !

PS. Our national flag is brilliant !

PPS. I was not directly involved in the above mentioned op.

PPPS. Everything that comes from the U.S.A. is not always good for you. Cocacola, macdonalds, George W. Bush etc...

Well, that's my rant over with. I look forward to the response.

CARRY ON !
 

daywalker

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#20
How does smartness and bearing help you get identified at night? Do you have to look for the blokes with smart creases in their kit?! :?
 

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