Iron Cross

#1
Whilst I'm on here...

I have an Iron Cross. The family story is that one of my uncle's lifted this from a dead German soldier on a battlefield during WW2. Not sure if this is even true.

I've always felt more than a little unhappy about this and would like to do something about it. There is obviously no way of returning it to any family of the rightful owner (it has no serial number or individual marking on it).

Is there anything I can/should do?
 
#2
Whilst I'm on here...

I have an Iron Cross. The family story is that one of my uncle's lifted this from a dead German soldier on a battlefield during WW2. Not sure if this is even true.

I've always felt more than a little unhappy about this and would like to do something about it. There is obviously no way of returning it to any family of the rightful owner (it has no serial number or individual marking on it).

Is there anything I can/should do?
Auction it for RBL?
 
#3
Wear it down the pub telling everyone that you're an ex german stormtrooper and before you know it you'll be on here as a Deutsche Uber Walt. Or you could keep it for your children as part of an important piece of your familys history.
 
#4
You could try writing to this organisation "Odessa, abbreviation of Organisation Der Ehemaligen Ss-angehörigen, (German: “Organization of Former SS Members”)," c/o 10 Avenida de Mayo, Buenos Aires, Argentina. Ask for Herr, sorry Senor, Arturo Hilter. Giving full details of exactly when, where, unit & rank of said dead German. Please also ensure to state if it was First or Second class Iron Cross as 2.5 million 2nd class were given out & a mere 300,000 of the 1st class awarded! :)
 

Alsacien

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#5
Whilst I'm on here...

I have an Iron Cross. The family story is that one of my uncle's lifted this from a dead German soldier on a battlefield during WW2. Not sure if this is even true.

I've always felt more than a little unhappy about this and would like to do something about it. There is obviously no way of returning it to any family of the rightful owner (it has no serial number or individual marking on it).

Is there anything I can/should do?
Is the ring for attaching the ribbon still there? That is where the manufacturers number is, you may have missed it....
 
#7
I don't understand why the OP feels uncomfortable owning a bit of tin? Is it because the Iron Cross is classed as a piece of Nazi memorabilia and the OP doesn't want to own something that he associates with the horror of the holocaust?

Or because it reminds him of what a thieving **** his grandad was?
 
#9
Thank you for all the amusing replies.

A few answers:

- it is a WW2 Iron Cross Second class - EKII
- the number on the ring is '123'
- it is complete with full ribbon which has pin holes in it

I like the auction with proceeds to RBL suggestion. I think I shall do this.

If it turns out it was owned by Garbo then it wasn't my uncle, right, and this thread gets deleted? :)
 
#10
"Here is an example of an Iron Cross, 2nd Class, maker marked "123" for the firm of Beck, Hassinger, & Company of Sta?burg. What's nice about this particular example is that it represents, to my way of thinking, a complete ensemble with tissue wrapped unissued cross, ribbon with safety pin, and a maker stamped envelope of issue. I hope you enjoy this modest presentation. . ."
 
#12
So '123' just indicates the manufacturer then.

Thanks for all the pointers.
 
#13
I've got the ribbon for one of those, along with the badge indicating that the wearer was awarded an Iron Cross during the first European unpleasantness, and had subsequently been awarded another EK (I think I have that right) - wifes Grandfather liberated it, along with a War Cross, during the 2nd misunderstanding - and he himself was MiD - not sure what for - found his citation in the London Gazette but doesn't give too much detail - he was RASC and supposedly did something at 1 (BR) Army HQ, so presumably services rendered, rather than anything heroic. SWMBO's dad gave the lot to me for safe keeping as he knew I would understand and appreciate them - so his campaign medals are framed with my grandads, although I thought I'd better keep the German stuff in a tin!
 

AlienFTM

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#15
You could try writing to this organisation "Odessa, abbreviation of Organisation Der Ehemaligen Ss-angehörigen, (German: “Organization of Former SS Members”)," c/o 10 Avenida de Mayo, Buenos Aires, Argentina. Ask for Herr, sorry Senor, Arturo Hilter. Giving full details of exactly when, where, unit & rank of said dead German. Please also ensure to state if it was First or Second class Iron Cross as 2.5 million 2nd class were given out & a mere 300,000 of the 1st class awarded! :)
Wouldn't it be dreadful if he contacted ODESSA only to have a member on the ODESSA file able to identify his father because of the EK award and come looking for the guy who murdered his father.

Make a great plot for a film that would. I hope nobody already thought of that as a plot for a film.
 
#16
Wouldn't it be dreadful if he contacted ODESSA only to have a member on the ODESSA file able to identify his father because of the EK award and come looking for the guy who murdered his father.

Make a great plot for a film that would. I hope nobody already thought of that as a plot for a film.
Mmm..., possibly :) mind you as long as he had good teeth & wasn't interested in diamonds he should be ok! Oh if Herr, sorry, Senor Hilter wasn't available he could try Senor M. Borrman or Doktor Mengele, I'm sure they could help ;-)
 

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