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Yes. Just as Kingstown is now Dun Lo... Dun La.... Dun Le... Something else.Queenstown is Cobh now isn't it?
Yes. Just as Kingstown is now Dun Lo... Dun La.... Dun Le... Something else.Queenstown is Cobh now isn't it?
Yes, and Kingstown is now Dun Laoghaire and Queen's County is Laois and King's County is Offaly. Beyond that (and a lot of street names) I don't think very much else changed names after Independence, although there are an awful lot of smaller towns whose names, linked as they are to British landlords and generals not all of whom have very savoury reputations, that might have been changed but weren't.Queenstown is Cobh now isn't it?
Kingsbridge is Heuston I know that one.Yes. Just as Kingstown is now Dun Lo... Dun La.... Dun Le... Something else.
Yes. Kingstown was Dun Laoighre.Queenstown is Cobh now isn't it?
Portlaoise was Maryborough in them days. There was an ancient 6" to the Mile map in Portlaoise Prison in 1997 which still named the town as Maryborough. Mary was the Queen after whom Queen's County was named, King's was named after Philip II and also had a Philipstown, now called Daingean. Birr in Co. Offaly was called Parsonstown until 1922. The Parsons family were the Earls of Rosse, local landlords and astronomy enthusiasts.Yes, and Kingstown is now Dun Laoghaire and Queen's County is Laois and King's County is Offaly. Beyond that (and a lot of street names) I don't think very much else changed names after Independence, although there are an awful lot of smaller towns whose names, linked as they are to British landlords and generals not all of whom have very savoury reputations, that might have been changed but weren't.
ETA, I am wrong, quite a few place names were changed, although a lot of them were since changed back
So Emmet Dalton, who had actual military experience told him to wind his neck in then.At the first Dáil Cabinet meeting since his return from the US, de Valera proposed large scale open warfare type military activities. He withdrew the proposal due to opposition from other members of the government.
I wonder why they were changed back?ETA, I am wrong, quite a few place names were changed, although a lot of them were since changed back
It was a meeting of the Government of which Dalton was not a member. The opposition to De Valera's proposal would have been led by Collins.So Emmet Dalton, who had actual military experience told him to wind his neck in then.
Probably because people continued using the names they had always used.I wonder why they were changed back?
My goodness, there's a TV mini series to be made of the Charters family's bad luck in that 10 years. A bit of research turns up that there is still a Charters family farming in Ballinalee, so it's good to see they made it through.22 January 1921
Three off-duty RIC men were ambushed after leaving Leonard’s pub in Corcaghan, Co. Monaghan. The alarm was raised when they failed to return to barracks at 10 pm. A search party quickly found the three men and returned to barracks for reinforcements. When they returned to the ambush site, one man was missing.
The two dead were;
Constable Robert Hegarty, a policeman’s son from Cork. Hegarty was 18 and had joined the RIC in September after being discharged from the army.
Constable Frederick Taylor, age 24 and from Plymouth. Taylor had two months RIC service.
Constable Sidney Clarke was found alive the following morning but he died from his wounds on 30th January. After the search party found the ambush site Clarke had crawled to a nearby building.
In Ballinalee, Co. Longford, two young men were shot as informers. William Charters, a Protestant, aged 27, had allegedly reported two members of a Sinn Féin Land Court which had found against his brother in a land dispute. The Charters family had already lost two sons; one drowned on the Titanic and another killed in the war. William was abducted about 3 am, shot and dumped in a lake.
William Elliott, a Protestant, aged 22, was accused of being a member of the UVF. He was taken from his home at 2 am and shot dead in a nearby bog.
The local Protestants took these events to be the start of a bit of ethnic cleansing and were no doubt reassured by Sean McEoin’s proclamation that they’d be safe if they minded their own business.
Michael Dwyer a 23 year old ex-serviceman was shot as a spy near Bandon, Co. Cork.
Auxiliaries in Co. Galway, in reprisal for the Kilroe ambush, shot three men dead in the area in separate incidents.
William Walsh, aged 30, was taken from his home at Claran in the morning and shot in the head outside his door.
Michael Hoade, a 30 year old shopkeeper at Caherlistrane, was shot while trying to escape. The Auxiliaries kindly brought the body back to his sister.
James Kirwin, aged 26, was shot dead when the Auxiliaries came to arrest him in a field where he was working. Kirwin fled when he saw the police patrol.
All three were suspected IRA members and were killed by a patrol led by DI J. McGlynn.
I imagine because the Irish-language names chosen for them didn't exactly trip off the tongue. Charleville became Rath Luiric, Kells became Ceannanus Mór (although I am not sure what the problem with Kells was given its association with the magnificent Gospels), Navan became An Uaimh (again, I wonder why there was a problem with Navan), they changed back. Bagenalstown, and I can quite see why the new state would want to change it, became and remains Muine Bheag, although many people still use the old name. New names that stuck were places like Bunclody (Newtownbarry) and Ballydesmond (Kingswilliamstown, ooh er) presumably because the new names were gentler on the ear.I wonder why they were changed back?
I never get why Dublin which has an Irish root (Black Pool) became 'Baile Atha Cliath' the place with the wattle ford, surely the water would have been there before the ford was made?I imagine because the Irish-language names chosen for them didn't exactly trip off the tongue. Charleville became Rath Luiric, Kells became Ceannanus Mór (although I am not sure what the problem with Kells was given its association with the magnificent Gospels), Navan became An Uaimh (again, I wonder why there was a problem with Navan), they changed back. Bagenalstown, and I can quite see why the new state would want to change it, became and remains Muine Bheag, although many people still use the old name. New names that stuck were places like Bunclody (Newtownbarry) and Ballydesmond (Kingswilliamstown, ooh er) presumably because the new names were gentler on the ear.
I never get why Dublin which has an Irish root (Black Pool) became 'Baile Atha Cliath' the place with the wattle ford, surely the water would have been there before the ford was made?
In some cases the original name was changed (sometimes multiple times). So sometimes the name is a translation of one of the older namesI imagine because the Irish-language names chosen for them didn't exactly trip off the tongue. Charleville became Rath Luiric, Kells became Ceannanus Mór (although I am not sure what the problem with Kells was given its association with the magnificent Gospels), Navan became An Uaimh (again, I wonder why there was a problem with Navan), they changed back. Bagenalstown, and I can quite see why the new state would want to change it, became and remains Muine Bheag, although many people still use the old name. New names that stuck were places like Bunclody (Newtownbarry) and Ballydesmond (Kingswilliamstown, ooh er) presumably because the new names were gentler on the ear.
Or perhaps just too many protestants and ex-servicemen in Bandon for Tom Barry's liking. I have long since mislaid my Guerrilla Days in Ireland but doesn't Barry have many's the bitter word to say about that town? Describing Bandon as a hotbed of loyalism and West Britonism (something which to a modern ear seems bizarre), he appears to have had a special dislike for it, in no way linked to his own loyal service and membership of the town's ex-serviceman's association I am sure. If Bandon wasn't the town in question I am sure others will correct me.23 January 1921
Thomas Bradfield a Protestant farmer from Bandon was shot as an informer by the IRA. Another Thomas Bradfield, a cousin of this one will meet the same fate the following week. The Cork area seems to be awash with informers.
Obviously my command of sarcasm is failing. The stories that the IRA made up to provide a justification for killing these people are frankly unbelievable. The two Bradfields were supposed to have mistaken IRA men for Auxiliaries and informed them of the names of local republicans. I doubt that anyone over the age of 10 in Ireland in 1921 was unaware what an Auxiliary looked like.Or perhaps just too many protestants and ex-servicemen in Bandon for Tom Barry's liking. I have long since mislaid my Guerrilla Days in Ireland but doesn't Barry have many's the bitter word to say about that town? Describing Bandon as a hotbed of loyalism and West Britonism (something which to a modern ear seems bizarre), he appears to have had a special dislike for it, in no way linked to his own loyal service and membership of the town's ex-serviceman's association I am sure. If Bandon wasn't the town in question I am sure others will correct me.
No Gary, rest assured the wry comments in your posts are always noted and appreciated.Obviously my command of sarcasm is failing. The stories that the IRA made up to provide a justification for killing these people are frankly unbelievable. The two Bradfields were supposed to have mistaken IRA men for Auxiliaries and informed them of the names of local republicans. I doubt that anyone over the age of 10 in Ireland in 1921 was unaware what an Auxiliary looked like.
My mother in law's family had recently divided into Catholic and Protestant branches at that time. They were from Kinsale, not a million miles from Bandon. It must have been a fraught time for them.