Irish joining British army

Discussion in 'Join the Army - Regular Soldier Recruitment' started by paddy-, Jun 1, 2005.

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  1. Hello. I'm 22 years old and currently in college. I've just finished my 1st year but this life isn't for me. Its not exciting enough. I'm currently awaiting interview for the Irish Army but I'm not sure this is enough for me. I want a to join a real army and not a mickey mouse one.

    The info I'd like would be what to expect from fellow soldiers if I get accepted. Which regiments do you advise me to join and which do you advise me not to join.

  2. I guess you would want to serve with other irish blokes? If that is the case this may sound abvious but the Irish guards do have a few lads from south of the border ( the rest are from Liverpool ) The Royal Dragoon Guards have an Irish connection ( as well as the road to armadillo )Just get on the inter net to british army they will put you right
  3. Bad CO

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    The R Irish Rangers (now 1st Bn Royal Irish) also have quite a high % of your countrymen serving with them. Don't forget that there are lots of other options though - why not have a look through the Army Careers website.
  4. The first thing I would advise you to do is rid yourself of this kind of 'Paddy-the-Irishman' inferiority complex. The Irish Army is very much a real one, which maintained the integrity of the Free State during the Civil War - if anything is 'mickey mouse', it is the succession of largely Fianna Fáil governemtns which have deliberately and continuously run-down the Defence Forces whilst hiding behind the fig-leaf of a hypocritcal and dishonest policy of neutrality. You'll get pretty short shrift if you arrive over into H.M. Forces and proceed to slag off your own country - the British will soon see through this. Try and remember that you come from a country with one of the proudest military tradtions in the world.

    Now, my own advice is to trawl around the British Army website to get a feel for which regiments interest you. Decide whether you would be interested in the teeth or support arms (if teeth then whether cavalry, infantry, or artillery; otherwise whichever corps takes your fancy). There will always be the odd head-case who will have a chip on his shoulder about the Irish, but in my own experience I cannot say that I experienced any 'predjudice', primarily I imagine because I didn't go around apologising for being Irish nor conforming to any national sterotype (i.e. 'mad' and/or 'drunk').

    I note that you are currently in college - will you therefore be aiming for Sandhurst? If so, you will be able to go on familiarisation visits to various regiments or corps when you start the selection process. Take in what advice you receive and then combine this with whatever 'feel' you get for a regiment or corps and then make your decision.

    Good luck!
  5. Not too sure if I agree GG, while the Irish army is fine, it is defence force not an army. If someone wants to soldier the British Army is the way to go. The Irish defence force soldier is quite possibly one of the oldest in Europe, in terms of the average age of a pvt.

    I can understand the "Mickey Mouse" reference, as when I was looking to join, the Irish Army could not hold a candle to the British. Despite constant cutbacks the oportunities are far wider. I met a number of Irish troops some years ago in Sarajevo and while being nice blokes their turnout, fitness and overall bearing was nowhere near the levels of the British Army.

    Yes, the Irish have a long tradition of military service for many European states and a long tradition of serving in the best Army in the world...Betty Windsors (chest swells with pride). I would recomend seeing an RTE documentary called "All the Queens men" about Irish men in both the Irish Guards and 1Royal Irish, that is just the tip of the iceberg as many other units have a healthy number of Paddys. A bonus from the peace process has been favourable coverage in the Irish media of units like 1Royal Irish on Ops as well as an increase in Southerners joining, or at leat being more open about it.

    At the end of the day I think this bloke would be better in an Army where he can soldier and not in a defence force where the best he can hope for is peacekeeping (social wokers not soldiers). Whatever he chooses completing Uni should come first, more oportunities.

    My two cents worth
  6. Thanks for the advice. The "mickey mouse" reference was heard from an uncle of mine who is approaching finishing up his 30 years service in the Irish Army. He advised me to approach the us, uk or french armies if I wanted to be a real soldier. I'm not taking anything away from the Irish Army but bank escorts and peacekeeping duty does not appeal enough to me.

    I plan to join as soon as possible. It will be another 4 years before I have a degree. I qualify with a certificate in 1 year but would a certificate count for much. It's the lowest college qualification you receive, so I doubt it will count.

    I was looking at the British army website last night and from what I gather the Irish Guard are only based in Northern Ireland. I've sent an email off to them and am awaiting reply. I came across this site and thought I might get more advice from you guys. Which regiment did you join gallowglass if you don't mind me asking. I'll understand if you do

  7. I agree with your points Vonshot. Indeed my father served in the Irish Army for 18 years and he felt that I would be better off in a fighting army. Not having a crack at paddy-, but I always take issue with any cheap jibes at the expense of the Irish Army. I would be the first to hold up my hands and say that its combat readiness and preparedness is pitiful, but that is the fault of the politicians and bean counters who have systematically run it down.

    I am probably just an old sentimentalist who is heartbroken at the way a once fine army has been emasculated and starved of resources.

    Certainly, if paddy- is looking for more varied soldiering with a good chance of active service then he would be wrong to go for the Defence Forces (or Irish Army, the Defence Forces including the Air Corps and Naval Service)- H.M. Forces are the way to go.

    paddy- I sent you a pm in answer to your question. The Irish Guards may be deployed at present in Northern Ireland, but you are more likely to find them training in Germany or in London performing public duties (or Kenya the last time I looked)- don't forget they were in the vanguard of the British invasion in March 2003. Go to their website, and get the contact details of their Regimental Secretary.
  8. Paddy,

    I too am an Irishman joing the British army. I'm not sure if it was a concern for you but you certainly don't need to worry about any anti-Irish feeling in the Army. I've gone on a few visits to army units now and I've found they are actually quite pro-Irish. Although they were a little surprised and disappointed at my poor alcohol tolerance!

    Also, I know it can be a struggle but if you are only a year away from getting a certficate then maybe you should just slog it out?

  9. From what I've heard from Irish nationals serving in the BA, they prefer it to the Irish DF.

    They still say the Steyr is better then the Marley(SA80)
  10. Do yourself the biggest favour you can and get your degree first. It might take you that extra few years, but it'll open more doors for you later on in life. I'm not sure how old you are, so you'll have to work out what's best long term in relation to commissions etc, if that's the route you fancy.

    It's an old story, but you will regret giving up on your education . Do it now, so you don't have to worry about it later on in life. The Army may not be what you hoped it would be and even if it is, who's to say that you'll be allowed a full career? You just might need something to fall back on later.

    Do you have a version of the OTC in Ireland? If so, get into that. Join the Reserves if that's all that is available. If you are keen on us, show those who interview you that whilst you have dedicated yourself to studying (evidence that you can finish a project once you have started it as well as evidence that you are an educated individual), whilst at the same time evidencing that you are serious about a military career.

    To back up what others have said about the Irish Army, I've worked with them on a few occasions.........they are as professional as everyone else! A real top bunch of blokes in my opinion. They seem to put up with more sh*t than we do.

    Get your education first mate. It's not what you want to hear, I know, but it's good advice.

    I wish I took it when it was given to me. I re started my education later on in life and all I could think of was 'why did I leave when I did'.

    Good luck with your future.
  11. That is some pretty sound advice Biscuits. Sorry we got off on the wrong foot. I guess I deserved what I got. Just a bit sensitive about cadet issues. I too had many regrets concerning education. Although I cannot comment about the army career side of things, another of my major regrets, I agree totally with Biscuits, education first, you will be surprised just how much time you have after completing it to fulfil all your aspirations.
  12. Ok education first is what loads of people say here . Thing is you invest time at Uni etc 3-4 years down the line if you are lucky you get a job . Crap starting wage , bottom of the ladder . I know lots of mates from my school who went that way . Ok a few got a good job , but most ended up at the bottom of the ladder on a crap wage . In the Army the wage at first is pretty poor , but you know where you stand , you work hard (generally ) you get promoted , more money , better conditions etc etc the wheel keeps turning . At the end of your time you have a big fat pension , a million pounds worth of memories , good mates and the knowledge that at some point in your life you have really helped somebody . I am not knocking getting a degree , but the vast majority of graduates find that there is no ''pot of gold at the end of the rainbow'' . The army is really shit at times but on the whole it is an extremly rewarding career . Mate just way up everything i have said again its just my opinion . Good luck Recce
  13. recce-cpl: A million pounds worth of memories. Copyright it now mate, that is the best recruiting slogan I;'ve ever heard!!!!!
    Apart from, of course, Ask Frank :roll:
  14. When you haven't a clue what you're talking about, it's best to take a large cup of shut the f*ck up. This whole post is crap and I would hate to think that any bugger in the Army listens to you, you self opinionated Welsh clown. He can easily join the Army with better prospects if he does so as a graduate. Thanks for explaining how Army wages work.............that'll clear up a few things. F*cking nugget.

    If he has just entered Uni at 18 and is a full time student, there's no reason he shouldn't finish his degree by the time he's 22/23.

    Now why don't you just f*ck off down the NAAFI with your 'big timer' approach, maybe you can convince someone else to give up on a future.

    Don't, for f*cks sake don' a recruiter.

    I have never read so much pish in my life you thick Welsh f*ck.
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  15. Real soldier and French Army all in the same sentence. Surely that's a typing error.

    Previous advice on education the best offered yet. If you have the quals you will always have them after a full Army career or even say, you discover the Army is not for you. You are young enough and have time to join later.