Irish general election

Mike Barton

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There's an Irish general election coming up on Saturday.

Who cares? Well perhaps nobody, after all Irish general elections usually involve Fianna Gael or Fine Fail (or is it the other way around?) winning not enough seats to form a government, then scrabbling around to form a coalition with assorted minor parties, forming an unstable government for three years and then collapsing in a scandal, either corruption or something to do with lady's reproductive organs. Rinse and repeat.

Except, this time, shockingly, Sinn Fein may get to be the biggest party. Now both FG and FF are insistent that they won't share power with SF, but then they equally insist they won't share power with each other, even though you couldn't get a Rizla paper between to the two mainstream parties' policies. But the lure of the government Mercedes always works in Irish politics and if the Shinners hold the balance of power then someone will cosy up to them (my bets being on FF).

We could then have the situation where Sinn Fein are in government North and South in Ireland. A game changer surely.

If you aren't interested in Irish politics feel absolutely free to totally ignore this thread.
 

par avion

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There's an Irish general election coming up on Saturday.

Who cares? Well perhaps nobody, after all Irish general elections usually involve Fianna Gael or Fine Fail (or is it the other way around?) winning not enough seats to form a government, then scrabbling around to form a coalition with assorted minor parties, forming an unstable government for three years and then collapsing in a scandal, either corruption or something to do with lady's reproductive organs. Rinse and repeat.

Except, this time, shockingly, Sinn Fein may get to be the biggest party. Now both FG and FF are insistent that they won't share power with SF, but then they equally insist they won't share power with each other, even though you couldn't get a Rizla paper between to the two mainstream parties' policies. But the lure of the government Mercedes always works in Irish politics and if the Shinners hold the balance of power then someone will cosy up to them (my bets being on FF).

We could then have the situation where Sinn Fein are in government North and South in Ireland. A game changer surely.

If you aren't interested in Irish politics feel absolutely free to totally ignore this thread.
Doesn't matter who gets in, they will do what their masters in Brussels tell them to. The Saxon Hun is still in charge only this time they are the original ones. Muti Merkel and Unter Von Linden - the scourge of the german military.
 
So an election between the Pro Treaty IRA, the formerly Anti Treaty IRA that changed sides and the Provisional IRA?
 
Sinn Fein (SF) have come a long way in their attempt to move away for their terror supporting past as the Political Wing of the IRA, and make themselves more 'mainstream'.

I never ever thought I would see the day when any member of the Shinners would be actively engaged in recruiting for the 'Crown Forces':

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A bold move that will upset hard-line Republicans, but the Shinners must reckon it will win them more votes than they risk losing.

Varadkar's mask has been removed and people even in Ireland can see him for the little EU subservient weasel he is and that he focuses more on Headline issues that echo his name across Europe. As for Fianna Fail (FF), they don't offer much different the Fine Gael (FG).

Whilst Sinn Fein might be popular in the polls - I see this more as a protest indication, as I can't see Ireland swinging to Left-Wing Socialism and given they require 80 seats to achieve any majority but are only fielding about half that number of Candidates - a stand-alone Sinn Fein government cannot be formed.

Will FF or FG form a coalition with SF? They both say they won't but let's see how this pans out next week.
 
Varadkar's mask has been removed and people even in Ireland can see him for the little EU subservient weasel he is and that he focuses more on Headline issues that echo his name across Europe.
from outside POV probably true, but it doesn't alter the point that RoI saw that objective when they joined with us in 73, never believing that we'd be leaving. So Veradkar can't be blamed as such for pursuing what was a normal concept for them. The Question here is rather more, can the leopard really change it's spots. But either way we would be surrounded by Nationalistic countries.
 

Mike Barton

War Hero
Whilst Sinn Fein might be popular in the polls - I see this more as a protest indication, as I can't see Ireland swinging to Left-Wing Socialism
I agree, the Irish electorate hasn't suddenly become hardline socialists over night. You are correct, it's a protest vote, a touch of the radical populism that is sweeping the world.

But SF will need to be careful riding that tiger, the few Irish voters I have spoken to in recent years have complained about over-stretched public services, especially health. But the scapegoats are not the fat cat politicians or bankers who caused the economic crisis 10 years ago, they are blaming the same target everyone else in Europe is blaming, immigrants.

Whilst SF is undoubtedly a nationalist party, they like to believe they are nice, left wing nationalists, and they are unlikely to pander to anti-immigrant sentiments. That being the case their new voters, or a substantial section of them could end up disappointed and look to a different party next time round.

There is no anti-immigrant party at the moment in Ireland but let's not forget Fine Gael's Blueshirt origins. Ok they are led by a mixed-race gay man at the moment but if FG do badly in this election they could dump him and they could then look to tap a so-far untapped, and under-reported, section of the electorate.
 

ugly

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If SF get in with a large number of seats Jeremy will finish up with a monster lob on?
Green with envy and if not he will declare it an Historic victory for SF
 

Mike Barton

War Hero
SF are not contesting sufficient seats to get a majority, However they will hold the position of king makers if they gain sufficient seats

Archie,
Why did they opt not to contest all seats? Is that a new idea? I thought they were a nationwide party and had assumed they always contested all seats?
 
The alternative being Fianna Fail, who used to refer to themselves as a "slightly constitutional" party and who were packing heat when they first took their seats in the Dail after the 1932 election, just in case things cut up rough.
FF always gave the impression of being slimy opportunists. Throw in the motley group,of sometime hilarious independents,and there You have it.The place is run by Brussels anyway. The election and government are just for entertainment value. Almost as pointless as the northern assembly.
 

Auld-Yin

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This was covered on BBC Newsnight last night. They must have read my post complaining about wall to wall Is elections and little on Ireland. FF politician acknowledging that SF doing well but said Ireland has always been a country that voted for non extremist parties and the rise in SF he feels will not hold up.

Be interesting to see and what the new Taisaoch does re B****t
 

DAS

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FF always gave the impression of being slimy opportunists. Throw in the motley group,of sometime hilarious independents,and there You have it.The place is run by Brussels anyway. The election and government are just for entertainment value. Almost as pointless as the northern assembly.
Lets not forget the FF tent at the Galway races.
 

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