The IDF's orbat is a bit strange. It seems to me as an outsider who had to study them once that their Battalions only have two companies and a total strength of 245 men. Hence why they appear to field such a large force (3 Bdes, reducing to 2 by the latest Defence white paper), but each Bde is actually about the size of a large battlegroup. Their UN service forces seem to be new (full strength) Bns drawn from the other units
Why only experience with IDF (FCA/CA) personnel is with ex-FCA/CA servicemen in the TA, and all three of them were slightly worrying (2 who failed basic training, and one who failed RMAS). That said, I got the impression the FCA/ CA can not really be considered in the same way, and is basically a continuation of the old militia.
I take it you didnt score well in your studies?
Irish battalions are 650 strong and without going too much into orbat they consist of the usual HQ, A,B,C rifle companies and Support company.
Brigades consist of three battalions a cav squadron an artillery regiment, logistics support battalion plus various other CSS subunits attached to brigade HQ.
The 1999 white paper on defence reduced the Regular army from five brigades to three, with three reserve brigades (formerly the FCA (FCA= Local defence force) the Reserves are indeed a bit ropey and individual standards vary hugely .
Which is why the reserves are in the early stages of a major reorganisation to turn them into a functional army reserve.
isle of wright was only trying to be helpful even if he was inaccurate....
dunno what the brits think of the irish army but I know they defintely have a very positive attitude towards irish applicants... have been on a fam visit recently and they were very welcoming - even if a little surprised at a southern irish boy wanting to join them... only a handful of potatoe jokes!!! unfortunately they only had guinness in cans... if i do get in then that will have to change...
When a bunch of Irish MP joined the multi national MP, they were located on a Brit Camp, the only people who had any problems with them, were little knobs from the RLC who'd never been to Ireland, or had any idea of what they were talking about.
The IDF are the same as the Brits, good sense of humour, work hard play hard and always get the job done no matter how shite the kit is.
Think we need to do more work with them.
If only to get draught Vitamin G
I had a couple of young IDF lads working for me in a UN Mission in Africa. It was no surprise that they were as professional and effective as I would expect from their Brit equivalents. It was also no surprise they were good for a p!ss up as well. Slightly narrower perspective than a brit with experience of all arms tactics - similar in some ways to Canadians, but useful people to have around.
Met quite a few of them over the years. Great guys, excellent sense of humour and very motivated also just as pissed off with the terrorist scum as we were. Same men as their predecessors who joined the old RIrish Connaughts, Munsters, Dublins and Liensters.
Any one know if the IDF Inf kept the old Battle Honours of those fine regiments (just as the Indian Army kept theirs)?
I can only endorse Busterdog's comments - worked with them in Kosovo too and they are a thoroughly professional outfit. Their kit outstrips ours in several areas (who wouldn't rather have a Steyr than an SA80 - A2 or otherwise?) and they are also top on the piss, even when Ireland beat England at Rugby.
I don't think they hold any old British Army battle honours - would still be contoversial. There is an awful lot of pre-1922 Regimental Silver from several old Regiments in the vaults of Trinity College in Dublin but nobody seems to know what to do with it.
Shot with them at Bisley last year, great bunch of lads, had a good time in the butts with them.......good crack!
When I first saw them I didn't recognise the DPM pattern smocks and thought they were Italians until a bloke went past me with a name tag on which said Murphy.
Not only did we not keep the battle honours but its nearly impossible to get poppies here since SF the party of peace and love and murdering prison officers in front of their families (along with all the other cnuts who spent the 602 70s and 80s waiting for the soviets to invade and put them in charge) have deigned that the red poppy glorifies war.
SF types wear a white one which apparently symbolises pacifism....I bet all those Black Africans in Darfur and Sawhris in the Western Sahara really appreciate groups of middle class white people who get together and say really nice things about them while, they're being slaughtered and bomberd...no doubt the lovely quaint foreign people are praising Irish neutrality to high heaven while they get bombed shot and raped....huzzah.
But the Colours of the Trinity College Dublin OTC were in the office of the OC D (An Phairsagh) Coy of the 20 Inf Bn in Griffiths Barracks (that ages me!) when I was a lad... so there were some remnants held here and there. God only knows where they are now.