Iraqis make a martyr of dead British soldier

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  1. Sunday Telegraph

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/05/nsoldier05.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/05/ixhome.html
     
  2. Glad to see that some of them are greatful for the saccrifice of our troops.
     
  3. It is a small comfort for the family and a small gesture considering how many have been lost serving there, but that said, a welcome one which shows that some of the people of Iraq do appreciate the sacrifice made for them.
     
  4. Its good to see that some Iraqis value the sacrifices made by British troops. Its a ray of hope in a difficult situation.
     
  5. Could this be a step in a better direction? I don't remember them saying anything like this about anyone else who has lost their life over there (anyone else know of anything like this happening before?).
     
  6. No this is the first.
     
  7. Assuming that this happened for the reasons stated, it goes someway towards answering something that has been bothering me and a small group of friends. We met "Arabs" in the early '50s. Down in their villages. Squatting down in the dirt with them. Drinking the tea and eating the eggs and bread they offered. Perfectly decent people living at very low physical standards but jolly good types. We could not understand where these people had gone - the grandparents of today's "arab" who appears much less likeable.
    Seems they are still about - just less visible.
     
  8. [
    Men, women and children in the town where 22-year-old L/Cpl Allan Douglas was murdered on Monday have declared that the soldier should be honoured as a martyr because of the sacrifice he made.


    I do wish they would stop refering to troops killed in action as being murdered.
     
  9. spike7451

    spike7451 RIP

    Maybe that his comments will give our brave troops doing a thankless task a bit of a lift in the knowledge that someone apart from us appreciate what they're doing.(and lets hope bLiar does'nt hijack it for political gains!)
     
  10. Shot dead by a sniper? What else but murder - maybe you think it was ND then?
     
  11. Was it really a sniper that killed him, or has the media used the term "sniper" to reflect any semi-competent shooter with an AK?
     
  12. The story reminded me of a Kipling poem. If its not appropriate PTP can of course set me straight.

    The Grave of the Hundered Head

    Rudyard Kipling

    THERE’S a widow in sleepy Chester
    Who weeps for her only son;
    There’s a grave on the Pabeng River,
    A grave that the Burmans shun,

    And there’s Subadar Prag Tewarri
    Who tells how the work was done.

    A Snider squibbed in the jungle,
    Somebody laughed and fled,
    And the men of the First Shikaris
    Picked up their Subaltern dead,
    With a big blue mark in his forehead
    And the back blown out of his head.

    Subadar Prag Tewarri,
    Jemadar Hira Lal,
    Took command of the party,
    Twenty rifles in all,
    Marched them down to the river
    As the day was beginning to fall.

    They buried the boy by the river,
    A blanket over his face—
    They wept for their dead Lieutenant,
    The men of an alien race—
    They made a samadh in his honor,
    A mark for his resting-place.

    For they swore by the Holy Water,
    They swore by the salt they ate,
    That the soul of Lieutenant Eshmitt Sahib
    Should go to his God in state;
    With fifty file of Burman
    To open him Heaven’s gate.

    The men of the First Shikaris
    Marched till the break of day,
    Till they came to the rebel village,
    The village of Pabengmay—
    A jingal covered the clearing,
    Calthrops hampered the way.

    Subadar Prag Tewarri,
    Bidding them load with ball,
    Halted a dozen rifles
    Under the village wall;
    Sent out a flanking-party
    With Jemadar Hira Lal.

    The men of the First Shikaris
    Shouted and smote and slew,
    Turning the grinning jingal
    On to the howling crew.
    The Jemadar’s flanking-party
    Butchered the folk who flew.

    Long was the morn of slaughter,
    Long was the list of slain,
    Five score heads were taken,
    Five score heads and twain;
    And the men of the First Shickaris
    Went back to their grave again,
    Each man bearing a basket
    Red as his palms that day,
    Red as the blazing village—
    The village of Pabengmay,
    And the “drip-drip-drip” from the baskets
    Reddened the grass by the way.

    They made a pile of their trophies
    High as a tall man’s chin,
    Head upon head distorted,
    Set in a sightless grin,
    Anger and pain and terror
    Stamped on the smoke-scorched skin.

    Subadar Prag Tewarri
    Put the head of the Boh
    On the top of the mound of triumph,
    The head of his son below,
    With the sword and the peacock-banner
    That the world might behold and know.
    Thus the samadh was perfect,
    Thus was the lesson plain
    Of the wrath of the First Shikaris—
    The price of a white man slain;
    And the men of the First Shikaris
    Went back into camp again.

    Then a silence came to the river,
    A hush fell over the shore,
    And Bohs that were brave departed,
    And Sniders squibbed no more;
    For he Burmans said
    That a kullah’s head
    Must be paid for with heads five score.

    There’s a widow in sleepy Chester
    Who weeps for her only son;
    There’s a grave on the Pabeng River,
    A grave that the Burmans shun,
    And there’s Subadar Prag Tewarri
    Who tells how the work was done.
     
  13. Excellent !

    Advocating mass beheadings for revenge of a dead boss

    It may be Kipling and a very nice poem but whats it got to do with this thread,

    Its not whether its appropriate but whether its relevant

    toodlepip
    theGimp
     
  14. Good to see a formal aknowledgement of how local attitudes are changing.
    Tom's better side is slowly being seen.
    Tom has always been his countries best advert, tho sometime he gets very silly and upsets the locals.
    I had a drink with one old soldier this last Friday night, who had been in Dortmund in early/mid 60's. They had come from operations in Aden and where not happy about a non UK posting. Relations with town folk where bad.
    A block of local flats suffered a gas explosion over Christmas and the battalion was deployed to assist. He said they did the donkey work for the local authorities.
    Come New Year, Tom could do no wrong and Fritz was happy to help Tom get into his 'Normal' Pizz befudled state.
    john
    As for Rudyard, well attitudes of native troops to Brit officers where somewhat different back then and work of fiction should be treatet as such.
     
  15. are all 'snipers' considered murderers then?