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Iraq War. Elections 2009 - Went the day well?

#1
Went the day well?
We died and never knew
But well or ill, Freedom,
We died for you.



The elections in Iraq seem to have passed off with a high turnout, candidates being mainly none turban wearing with a good proportion of Women and very little violence. What says the multitude on ARRSE; is this a sign that something worthwhile emerges? A free, Democratic and mildly secular Country?

What say you?
 
#2
armchair_jihad said:
Went the day well?
We died and never knew
But well or ill, Freedom,
We died for you.



The elections in Iraq seem to have passed off with a high turnout, candidates being mainly none turban wearing with a good proportion of Women and very little violence. What says the multitude on ARRSE; is this a sign that something worthwhile emerges? A free, Democratic and mildly secular Country?

What say you?
Some questions must still be answered about Northern Iraq, but picturing what things will look like from the future, I think this can be seen as the point at which the war effectivly ended.
 

ICATQ

Old-Salt
#3
Now that the wheels are still attached to the wagon can we expect a formal announcement that the lads in Basra can actual finish packing and get out in good order? Surely there is no reason to prolong their stay any longer now?
 
#4
Wont an announcement with a definite leaving date just increase the violence again like it did with Basra Palace? As the remaining insurgents attempt to claim they've forced the coalition out?
 
#7
parapauk said:
Some questions must still be answered about Northern Iraq, but picturing what things will look like from the future, I think this can be seen as the point at which the war effectivly ended.

I would agree with that and there is nothing as dull as peace as the absence of posts would indicate.
 
#8
mac1 said:
good news so on ARRSE it'll be all quiet?
Well peace and quiet concerning Iraq is a change for the better I suppose
 
#9
parapauk said:
mac1 said:
good news so on ARRSE it'll be all quiet?
Bingo.

Sadly.

To make up for the lack of other posts:

Shrub, blah blah. Bliar, blah blah. Hauge, blah blah. Random idol threat, blah blah.
Might I add

oil blah blah blah, permanent base blah blah blah, Haliburton yada yada yada
 
#10
Respectable turnout: 51%. Tight control and little violence like the last time. Oddly folk tend to forget the last purple fingered moment rapidly turned from a hastily organized media spectacle into an outright political and military disaster.

This one does have more hopeful signs, actual names on the ballot and Sunni participation. Watch the parts of the country were Kurd rubs up against Arab over oil fields.

I do hope the blatantly sectarian ruling parties all get stuffed. Qom does not. How their chums in SIIC fair down South will be critical.
 
#11
Incidentally Cordesman is still providing analysis rather than scape grace declarations of victory as the long painful business of extracting ourselves from this mess begins.
...
At best, the provincial and local elections are simply a first step in the shift from the war after the war to real post-conflict reconstruction. At worst, they will be the prelude to new rounds of violence or divisive power struggles. Even “Iraq good enough” is still far from any kind of certainty. Much continues to depend on both the evolving political skills of Iraq’s leaders and the support they get over the next half-decade from the United States and the international community.
There'll be an eventual reckoning in Iraqi politics. Let's hope it's democratic and peaceful rather than soaked in blood as is traditional in the land of the two rivers.
 
#12
Welcome the peaceful passing of the elections. Not a mention os shrub, oil or anything else. :D Following is a pretty acurate piece based on the convos that I have had around this.

Source: Beleaguered Basra Hails “Breadwinner” Maliki

By IWPR-trained reporters in Basra (ICR No. 283, 9-Feb-09)


The mood is relaxed after the election results rather than particularly joyous. The anxiety of the past few weeks has subsided.

People are generally happy that Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki's Dawa party did so well here and that the incumbents have been booted out.

Maliki is best known here for ordering troops from Baghdad to crack down on Shia militia groups, particularly radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's Mehdi Army, last year. This earned him the nickname "The Breadwinner". He brought security to Basra, which helps people earn a living.

Talk to anyone here and they will tell you security was the most important election issue. Everyone is pleased that there is less violence.

Since the election results were released, there has been an encouraging omen – the foundation was laid over the weekend for a bridge across Shatt al-Arab, a key waterway near the city.

However, some people who voted for Maliki are now questioning whether they did the right thing. It seems they had expected Maliki himself to govern Basra, rather than his allies.

Now they wonder whether his allies and representatives here, who are teachers and university lecturers, will be able to handle provincial politics.

There are few supporters of the losing parties in the city of Basra. One of the big losers in the province was the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, SIIC. However, most of its backing comes from the rural areas, so there is not much sign of its supporters.

Fadhila, a smaller Shia party, led the governorate with SIIC and will lose most of its seats.

One of the new deputies has called for the outgoing provincial council members to be held to account for misdeeds during their tenure.
 
#13
It is not the critic who counts,
or how the strongman stumbled and fell,
or where the doer of deeds
could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man
who is actually in the arena,
who knows the great enthusiasms,
the great devotion,
and who spends himself
in a worthy cause.

If he fails,
at least he fails while daring greatly,
so that he may never be
one of those cold and timid souls,
who know neither victory nor defeat.

- Theodore Roosevelt
 

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